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    Armenia-Georgia-Iran vs. Ankara-Tbilisi-Baku

    November 06, 2010 | 12:14
    Armenia must not be idle. Deepening Georgia-Armenia-Iran cooperation may - if not counterbalance - at least exist simultaneously with the Turkey-Georgia-Azerbaijan axis, writes the Azg newspaper, commenting on Iranian FM Manouchehr Mottaki’s recent visit to Tbilisi, as well as the establishment of visa-free regime and opening of an Iranian consulate on Batumi.

    According to the author of the article entitled “Iran-Georgia-Armenia relations”, Georgia will only enhance its role if it is involved in both alliances. For Armenia to become a land link between Iran and Georgia, it has first of all to ensure minimum conditions for transit. “In this respect, the North-South highway is of high importance to both Armenia and the region. The construction is to be launched soon. A highway to run through Armenia - from the Georgian-Armenian border to the Armenian-Iranian border – will be constructed in conformity with international standards,” the newspaper writes.

    Why are deeper Iranian-Georgian relations of importance for Armenia? Armenia has a land border both with Iran and with Georgia. Also, Iran and Georgia, in contrast to Turkey and Azerbaijan, are in good relations with Armenia.

    Russia tried to counterbalance the West’s expansion policy with the North-South corridor, which would connect Russia, Georgia, Armenia and Iran. However, the project failed for a number of reasons, Russia’s faults being among them. First, Moscow and Tbilisi are aggressive and even hostile to each other. After the August war the two states severed their relations. In fact, a new dividing line, closed Russian-Georgian border, appeared in addition to the Turkish-Armenian and Armenian-Azeri borders. Viewing Armenia as its strategic ally, Russia has never attached importance to Georgian-Armenian relations or to deep Georgia-Armenia-Iran cooperation.

    Moreover, in its communication with Iran, Russia prefers Azerbaijan rather than Armenia. It was Russia that prevented the Iran-Armenia gas pipeline from reaching Georgia – it considered the project as posing a threat to its gas interests.

    “Turkey and Azerbaijan are hostile to Georgian-Armenian and Georgian-Armenian-Iranian cooperation, which eases the situation for Armenia, whereas Baku and Ankara aim at bringing Armenia to its knees,” the newspaper writes.
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    MY COMMENTS: In this game, I only see Armenia and Iran as a matter of principle wanting the dismantlement of The Republic of Azerbaijan. Most Armenians I speak to say half of the Republic of Azerbaijan is Armenia's and half of it is Iran's. If Russia and Georgia got on board with this vision, everyone would be better off. Perhaps the Khazars can keep Baku (kind of like Monaco = city-state). Nevertheless, it's clear that Iran and Armenia want to de-fang the Aliyev-clan permanently.
    Last edited by Persopolis; 04-03-2011, 03:19 PM.

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      80% of Armenia’s cooperation with Iran falls to energy sphere…

      Iran, Armenia can play role of regional energy operators

      March 28, 2011 | 14:33
      Iran and Armenia can play role of regional energy operators, Armenian Energy Minister Armen Movsisyan told Iranian ISNA news agency. He noted that relevant programs are elaborated.

      According to him, 80% of Armenia’s cooperation with Iran falls to energy sphere, while its volume is estimated at $450 million. Two states are expected to construct third transmission line which will connect Iran and Armenia, as well as hydroelectric power plant on Araks River, he added.

      Movsisyan said that cooperation between Iran and Armenia can be further developed taking into account capacity of the two countries. In addition, both countries can play an important role in formation and operation of international “North – South” transport corridor, Iran News reports.

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        The Armenian Lobby Needs to Get Involved - Seriously, Do you want the Zionist Lobby to undermine the prosperity of your country?


        State Department comments on Armenian President’s visit to Iran


        April 01, 2011 | 13:12
        U.S. State Department representative commented on the visit of Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan to Iran.

        Asked to comment on Armenian President’s visit to Tehran and agreements signed between the sides, Mark Toner said he had to look at the agreements and see what they were entailed. “. I don’t have details on it. Our position about doing business with Iran has been made many times, when Iran fails to come clean about its nuclear program, but I don’t know what they – what transpired. I’ll try to do some research on that and get back to you,” Acting Deputy Department Spokesman told the March 31 briefing.

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          Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
          http://news.am/eng/news/37228.html____________________________________
          MY COMMENTS: In this game, I only see Armenia and Iran as a matter of principle wanting the dismantlement of The Republic of Azerbaijan. Most Armenians I speak to say half of the Republic of Azerbaijan is Armenia's and half of it is Iran's. If Russia and Georgia got on board with this vision, everyone would be better off. Perhaps the Khazars can keep Baku (kind of like Monaco = city-state). Nevertheless, it's clear that Iran and Armenia want to de-fang the Aliyev-clan permanently.
          Armenia and Iran do have the most to gain from weakening or even annexing the remainder of azerbaijan. Georgia is least on board because currently they get their gas from baku, and the regime in tiflis is anchored with the western & zionist elements that also support ankara and baku. Russia currently has baku in a corner so I don't think they are too keen on azeri dismemberment either, especially because it would enhance Iranian influence in the region which they view as part of their sphere of influence or near abroad. But their hands can be force, if baku launches another war against Armenia/Artsakh I suspect Moscow will be supportive of Armenia driving all the way up to the current Russian-azeri border and thus expanding the Armenian border so they share a land connection with Russia.

          The wild cards in all of this would be the West, specifically the US, and of course turkey.
          For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
          to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



          http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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            Originally posted by Armanen View Post
            ... tiflis is anchored with the western & zionist elements that also support ankara and baku. ... But their hands can be force, if baku launches another war against Armenia/Artsakh I suspect Moscow will be supportive of Armenia driving all the way up to the current Russian-azeri border and thus expanding the Armenian border so they share a land connection with Russia.

            The wild cards in all of this would be the West, specifically the US, and of course turkey.
            * How happy do you think Russia is with US/Israel basing in Georgia?
            * How happy do you think Russia is with US/Israel basing in Azerbaijan?
            * Turkey taking root in Azerbaijan is a threat to Armenia's survival - but Turkey also is fearful of being renamed "Kurdistan."

            Deals can be made: I think it's in Russia's/Iran's/Armenia's interest to destabilize Aliyev. Russia may simply want to see how much money it can squeeze from Aliyev; at some point though, he's got to go. It looks terrible for Russia if the US can plant military bases on its doorstep. Iran can also help Russia in cooling the Chechen problems it has.

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              Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
              * How happy do you think Russia is with US/Israel basing in Georgia?
              * How happy do you think Russia is with US/Israel basing in Azerbaijan?
              * Turkey taking root in Azerbaijan is a threat to Armenia's survival - but Turkey also is fearful of being renamed "Kurdistan."

              Deals can be made: I think it's in Russia's/Iran's/Armenia's interest to destabilize Aliyev. Russia may simply want to see how much money it can squeeze from Aliyev; at some point though, he's got to go. It looks terrible for Russia if the US can plant military bases on its doorstep. Iran can also help Russia in cooling the Chechen problems it has.
              Obviously, Russia is not happy with any foreign presence in the Caucasus, especially powers who have traditionaly not been native to the region, such as the US and israel. This is why Moscow is engaging in regime change in tiflis via covert and overt means. The same can be said about azerbaijan, but since the latter has oil and natural gas it's opinions are taken into more account. Plus, aliyev, unlike sakoshiitvili has not gone out of his way to f*ck Russia over. The turks have already taken root in azerbaijan via the azeri initiated policy of 'one nation, two states' and the turkish presence in keeping Nakhichevan 'independent'. Just as Russia does not want Iranian influence to grow in the region the same is true with turkey, and I predict a conflict between the two before this century is up. To Moscow turkey is a bigger threat because they are directly tied into the western and anti-Russian system, whereas Tehran is a more or less independent actor.

              While Iran can help with Russia's terrorist problems in its North Caucasus region, they also have to ask themselves: would Iran help, why or why not?
              For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
              to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



              http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                While Iran can help with Russia's terrorist problems in its North Caucasus region, they also have to ask themselves: would Iran help, why or why not?
                Russia needs to make a deal with Iran because Iran also gives Russia access to the Middle East via its South West and access to India via its South East (Iran is one of the most unique gateways: North to Europe; SW to Middle East; SE to India; NE to Turkish lands.

                Iran already helped Russia with Georgia: Ossetians are Iranian Christians; I'm surprised Armenians have not made a stronger friendship with them:

                Real Name of 'Ossetians' in their own language is "Iron-i" (Iranians). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetic_language

                Last edited by Persopolis; 04-03-2011, 05:30 PM.

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                  Originally posted by Persopolis View Post

                  Iran already helped Russia with Georgia: Ossetians are Iranian Christians; I'm surprised Armenians have not made a stronger friendship with them:

                  Real Name of 'Ossetians' in their own language is "Iron-i" (Iranians). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetic_language
                  "On the Iberian plane resides population more prone to tilling and peace, dressing in the Armenian and Midian way. The mountain country, conversely, is occupied by simple people and warriors, living by the customs of the Scythians and Sarmatians, whose neighbours and kinsmen they are; however they also engage in tilling. In case of any adverse circumstances, they pit many thousands of warriors both from their midst and the midst of the Scythians and Sarmatians".

                  Strabon, an ancient Greek historian
                  and geographer (66 B.C. -24 A.D).
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    "On the Iberian plane resides population more prone to tilling and peace, dressing in the Armenian and Midian way. The mountain country, conversely, is occupied by simple people and warriors, living by the customs of the Scythians and Sarmatians, whose neighbours and kinsmen they are; however they also engage in tilling. In case of any adverse circumstances, they pit many thousands of warriors both from their midst and the midst of the Scythians and Sarmatians".

                    Strabon, an ancient Greek historian
                    and geographer (66 B.C. -24 A.D).
                    Nice. Great Quote Kanada - it certainly belongs in the Armenia/Iranian relations thread. And of course by "Midian" he means Median = Persian-Atropatkan (not to be confused with the phony "Republic of Azerbaijan").

                    Dr. Kaveh Farokh has put his historic family pictures up (link) - they're worth looking at as they are dressed in that manner: http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/about/background/
                    Last edited by Persopolis; 04-03-2011, 06:07 PM.

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                      Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
                      Nice. Great Quote Kanada - it certainly belongs in the Armenia/Iranian relations thread. And of course by "Midian" he means Median = Persian-Atropatkan (not to be confused with the phony "Republic of Azerbaijan").

                      Dr. Kaveh Farokh has put his historic family pictures up (link) - they're worth looking at as they are dressed in that manner: http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/about/background/
                      I did some reading on the Ossetians during that whole Georgia fiasco when Saakashvili played into Russia's trap.
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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