Iranian-Armenian relations

[bell-the-cat]

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(FYI it's called Now-Rooz "New - Day" - Armenians Please Never use the Turkish spelling with a "V" - because the Turks have a habit of thinking they created things they misspell).

There is no letter "W" in the Turkish alphabet (the reason why there is no "w" is probably buried in some Turkish archive from the 1920s) but in many countries words are often not pronounced as they are spelt.

[lampron]

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I have read somewhere that before Christianity Armenians and Iranians celebrated New Year at the same time

[Federate]

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At 11.30 in the morning.

I wonder if some groups in Armenia have decided that the August 11th date is just some later Christian falsification or appropriation and decided that, if one goes back to the origins, Amanor and Novruz are identical, are one and the same.

I know that to this day hardcore Armenian Christians have a disdain towards those Armenians that gather at Garni and celebrate Amanor in similar fashion to the pics you provided.

[Persopolis]

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There is no letter "W" in the Turkish alphabet (the reason why there is no "w" is probably buried in some Turkish archive from the 1920s) but in many countries words are often not pronounced as they are spelt.

Attaturk rewrote the Ottoman-Turkish language, including Turkifying loan words and pretending they were Turkish in origin; Attaturk also changed the alphabet -- one of his masterful frauds in creating "a people" and solidifying his own power over "his people." http://countrystudies.us/turkey/25.htm

The Persian language doesn't have an explicit "W" either - nevertheless the soft "W" sound is implied in the word Nowrooz -- E.g., ("Kno," "No," & "Know" sound the same even without the "W"-- the turkified "Nev" doesn't). In many countries words are in fact spelled differently - but the Pan-Turkists also have a history of using their misspellings to fabricate imaginary historical narratives. I am suggesting that when Pan-Turanists consistently act in a corrosive way against historical facts - we impose a stricter standard; that's a price they should have to pay. It's this ideology of "Turkification" that people should strongly resist. As a matter of ethnic lineage, the Ottomans are a hybrid people - a blend of: Turkmen tribes, Arabs, Greeks, Persians, Armenians, Kurds, etc. A Real Ethnic Turk is very Chinese in appearance, given that the word "Turk" itself is Chinese in origin and the Real Turks originated in the Altai mountains in modern-day China. Like Attaturk, Aliyev plays this same Turkification game - you will note that he refers to all of his citizens as "Azerbaijanis" (including Armenians, Talysh, etc.). "Azerbaijani" is a meaningless term for purposes of conveying ethnic origin - which is the way Aliyev's government deliberately uses it. Pan-Turanism is an enemy of science and history, its own people and the people it misappropriates from.

[Persopolis]

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Iranian-Armenian Relations have been around for a long time. Meet Mithradatha VI, King of Armenia Minor, grandson of Darius the First (King of Persia): I hope to encourage Armenians to study Persian History, as it is very important to their own history.

[Armanen]

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Iranian-Armenian Relations have been around for a long time. Meet Mithradatha VI, King of Armenia Minor, grandson of Darius the First (King of Persia): I hope to encourage Armenians to study Persian History, as it is very important to their own history.

He was a good king and really gave the Romans hell. Also, Tigran the Great was an ally.

[Persopolis]

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Who likes the sound of "Nakhichevan-ParskaHye-Republic" with a newly built city called "Glendale"?

[Tigranakert]

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It was the Iranians (father of the Sjah) who fell into the trap by giving Turkey a land connection to Nakhichevan, just to please them. If not, things would have been very different now... and probably Nakhichevan would have been under Armenian control. What did Iran gain from it? Nothing. It's the Turks who somehow always play the game smart...

[Persopolis]

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It was the Iranians (father of the Sjah) who fell into the trap by giving Turkey a land connection to Nakhichevan, just to please them. If not, things would have been very different now... and probably Nakhichevan would have been under Armenian control. What did Iran gain from it? Nothing. It's the Turks who somehow always play the game smart...

It's true they did a land swap - If I'm not mistaken, the Kurds were making trouble slightly south of there so they exchanged something like 7 km north for 7 km south; the other reason was that the USSR at that time was threatening Iran and Turkey was a strategic ally (blame Stalin).

Nevertheless, I can't see a reason why a border fence can't be maintained slightly within Nakhichevan to seal it off. They can still close off that road with an interior border fence. Nakhichevan only has 400,000 people now - and many have used that road to exit and move to Turkey. Have you read any literature on what the effects of that road are? I'm curious if anything has been written about it. I think it's the Kars Treaty in 1921 b/w USSR and Turkey that Turkey is using as an excuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Kars

Turkey, Georgia, and Azerbaijan continue to accept the Kars treaty (i.e., NATO, the USA, & Israel = my interpretation.)

See what Turkey is saying: They want to establish flights there. http://asbarez.com/79990/turkey-to-g...f-nakhichevan/

NAKHICHEVAN IS THE APPLE OF TURKEY'S EYE
news.am Oct 26 2010 Armenia

Nakhichevan is the apple of our eye, it is very important to us.
Therefore, we will protect it. This was stated by Minister of State
Foreign Trade of Turkey Zafer Caglayan after a meeting with the
Chairman of the Supreme Majlis of Nakhichevan Vasif Talibov.
At a meeting with businessmen at the Turkey and Nakhichevan border
crossing, Chaglayan said that Turkey will not open borders with
Armenia until the Karabakh problem is resolved, Anadolu agency writes.
Azerbaijan-Turkey business forum is being held a Nakhichevan.

The majority of people who live in Nakhichevan have recently began to immigrate to neighboring countries, particularly to Turkey and Russian Federation (RF) because of the lack of employment opportunities in the region, an increase in bribe-corruption cases and the repressive policies of Vasif Talibov, the Speaker of Nakhichevan Ali Mejlis, (Supreme Council). http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=1226

Some people see a WW3 situation there: http://www.network54.com/Forum/14935...+South+Armenia

Others don't:

Turkey won't deploy its peacekeepers in Nakhichevan, says expert; Aysor, Armenia, June 25 2010

Director of the Department of the Orient Studies of the National
Academy of Sciences, Rouben Safrastian said he rules out the
possibility of deployment of the Turkish peacekeepers in Nakhichevan.
`I believe that there will not be Turkish peacekeepers in Nakhichevan;
there is no legal basis for such a deployment,' said analyst.
`If Turkey tries to do so basing on the Kars Treaty then note that
there is no single word about it in the document. In case of
deployment of Turkish peacekeepers in Nakhichevan, Turkey will enter
into the open conflict against Russia,' he said.

[arakeretzig]

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in ancient times Nakhichevan was important route from east to west, but now it's isolated, deserted and in decay. Its fertile land is limited, it doesn't have any bright future. Why give a xxxx about it?