Iranian-Armenian relations

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

[QUOTE=retro;329947]What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

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Small amount of research so far yields this: Barry Lawrence Ruderman/ old maps--- old(for them)Roman
Map showing Armenia on the Caspian sea between ? Qabolo? And Sassanidereich.
Church in Kish(who do you think built that?) and church's in Artsak--- notice any similarities?
Although I'm actually talking about a much earlier time even at this late date or presence should be obvious.
A place now called ? Oguz ? used to be called Vartashen. Honk that may have been an Armenian word at some previous time? All this is easy to find but needs to go back in time to see us more clearly.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

That just says so much.

Most people, when faced with a historical question they don't know the answer to will try to consult books, academic studies, maybe even contact an expert in the field. But not Armenians it seems - they just phone their aged relatives. And those aged relatives, when, in their youth, were asked a historical question they didn't know the answer to, did not try to consult books, academic studies, or even contact an expert in the field, but just asked their aged relatives - and so on, back through the generations. In this way the bliss of happy ignorance is preserved intact through time.

Must remember your "when the waters subsided" comment though - that one is world class for stupidity.

Oh contrary puss. You don't know most people so your comment is common stupidly for your assumption to speak for (most)people. However in fact I have been and am attempting to consult scholarly sources as well as seeking the input of the indigenous (Armenian) people's memory.
Unlike the refusal to accept and acknowledge the Armenians words as to the atrocities that took place circa late 1800/ early 1900 but only accept foreigners reports I do give credibility to my ancient family.
They are both intelligent and honest and have memories that you who are new to balancing on your hind legs don't possess.
The geological evidence for the bloated Caspian as well as Black sea(not to mention other waters) is abundant and irrefutable.
Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I called the last two remaining Elders, my 90 year old uncle(father) said he didn't know and my 89 year old aunt (mothers sister) was sleeping.
I will wait for return call and tell what she has to say.

That just says so much.

Most people, when faced with a historical question they don't know the answer to will try to consult books, academic studies, maybe even contact an expert in the field. But not Armenians it seems - they just phone their aged relatives. And those aged relatives, when, in their youth, were asked a historical question they didn't know the answer to, did not try to consult books, academic studies, or even contact an expert in the field, but just asked their aged relatives - and so on, back through the generations. In this way the bliss of happy ignorance is preserved intact through time.

Must remember your "when the waters subsided" comment though - that one is world class for stupidity.

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Don't think this is the right time frame but---
When Marco Polo passes through Armenia we were using a naturally occurring oil for our lanterns etc.
Does anyone know where we were getting this?
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

When the waters subsided the waters of the Caspian rested against the mountains of Armenia. My family has benn ling upon those shores since that time.
We actually are the indigenes people from their.
All who are round about found us(Hay) their when they got their.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

The part where you say: Russian are nothing like the azeris.
Do mean : baboon baku or Azaris that are of the Persian presense?
When the turco hominoids raped and murdered in the hinterland of what is now called Russia many of the terrified women bore what appeared to be children(really proto baboons). So some of the ugliness was
changed to a more human appearance . It was those that are in baku now.
The Azary from the Persian presense is not related as far as I can tell.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

I called the last two remaining Elders, my 90 year old uncle(father) said he didn't know and my 89 year old aunt (mothers sister) was sleeping.
I will wait for return call and tell what she has to say.
All four Grandparents have departed so all original information...
You have asked me(an Armenian) to show proof that my family has ever lived in the watershed of the
Highlands of Armenia(Hay) since time I memorable.
I'm an Armenian, apparently I can't even prove that most of my family was brutally murdered 95 years ago . All the research I have attempted comes up with the identical phrase: the ancient kingdom of Armenia
Stretched from the Caspian sea to the Mediteranian sea.
I have more searching to do and many leads.however their are many (leads) as to what happened to the Armenian soldiers/fathers/uncles/husbands/... And yet in the eyes of this world(not Armenian eyes) it can't be proven what happened. So...
I heard of a man one time and his name was two genes.
I asked how he got the name. I was told because he came from his mothers genes and his fathers genes
He was named 2 genes(2 yenes).
He said: It is better to be the oppressed than the oppressor.
I say: It is better to be judged that your land was stolen than to be judged that you are in possession of stolen land.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

Wrote many words, went to submit and computer said : message to short. Will try again after anger subsides.
Artashes

[retro]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

pan turks should just go back to central asia, Altaic mountains, that's their real homeland

The local Orcs would stew them in a big pot along with some horse meat and a few apples.

Maybe the Azeris, Turks, Kurds and their Israeli overlords are dreaming about the annexation of Western Iran. However I doubt the west is in any mood to open up a front with 200 million Shia.

The problem with Iran is that China dominates it's trade and by developing the bomb they risk igniting a regional arms race. Other than that it's a stable nation. Which is good deal more than can be said for the Arabs or South Asians.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

pan turks should just go back to central asia, Altaic mountains, that's their real homeland