Iranian-Armenian relations

[retro]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Arran? Those are tatars(Russian) or Tartars(everyone else). A turco hominoid that first raped the hinterland of what is now Russia and then invaded Baku region. Hay was living on the shores of the Caspian for millennia before they came to murder and steal. Arran is not the name of them but a stolen and transformed word(like they change Erivan).
Artshes

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

About Russian and Pesian friendship.
The Russian backup that we are getting is the only reason we aren't getting rolled over or put in an untenable horror.
The only reason the Russians are showing us the amount of respect(not enough) that they are is because the USSR collapsed and they need us(we have to play that card to the hilt). The behind the scenes pressure they are putting on us is the same as with virtually all previouse dealings with them(their interests first and foremost). We cannot jeopardize this backup but we cannot get confused between the difference of geopolitical moves and true friendship.
The Persion political elite(the ones in control).
The first genocide of the 20th century was watched in broad daylight and went unacknowedged as it was happening and to this very day. That's why the Juice genocide was able to take place and all the others.
Only Israel made sure their atrocities were recognized. That has left the door wide open to pick and choose which crimes will be acknowledged according to political agendas and not based on truth and reality.
When the ruling Iranian dismisses the JG and then comes to us and acknowledges our genocide the credibility gap is to wide and needs taking into account.
It's unfortunate that we are compelled to play these games.
It is actually only Armenians who care about Armenians and our whole argument is based upon the truth(one of the few people's carrying the banner of truth on the face of this planet.
When it comes the ruling elite we cannot afford to be confused between true friendship and political convenience or necessity.
Artashes

[Artashes]

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Iranians and Armenians have forgiven what has happened thousands years ago......to hold those grudges is to be an blind ultra nationalist ignore the centuries of good relations and sacrefices of patriots from both sides.

I cannot ignore the sacrifices that the patriots of Armenia have made.
I cannot ignore or minimalize the patriotic sacrifices made at Shat El Arab.
To hold a memory(a true one) is not the same as holding a grudge.
I regret my memory comes off as a grudge.
To any Persians that may read these posts of mine--- if you ever meet me you shall not get (any) animosity from me over those events. A respect and sincere cordialness is what you can expect from me.
When the bulk of Armenians were expelled that left all the outlying (not strategically important) communities surrounded and headless.
The Persians gave an ultimatum: drop all animosity and you will be treated with respect and allowed to stay
(and live). The Armenians accepted and did that with true sincerity and the Persians honored their word.
I was not part of that agreement. The bulk of Armenians had lost any input capability and had no say in that agreement. It was exclusively the decision of those Armenians that remained. As the Armenians that remained have sincerely honered that agreement and because the Persians have also honered it I sincerely honor it.
Forgiving by the Armenians does not mean forgetting the life and times.
About the Persians forgiving us I am confused. What do the Persians have to forgive us for?

[Mos]

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Iranians and Armenians have forgiven what has happened thousands years ago......to hold those grudges is to be an blind ultra nationalist ignore the centuries of good relations and sacrefices of patriots from both sides.

We have too many enemies to have Iran as one. Iranians are natural allies to us in many ways. They are anti-Turkic and anti-Zionist. If anybody has experience with Persians on the internet (e.g. forums, youtube) you will notice they are consistent defenders of Armenians and Armenia more so than anybody else.

[Eddo211]

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Iranians and Armenians have forgiven what has happened thousands years ago......to hold those grudges is to be an blind ultra nationalist ignore the centuries of good relations and sacrefices of patriots from both sides.

[Artashes]

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also didn't say that when you speak of places in that area and say :there aren't many (Armenians) left it hurts. That place was 100 percent Armenian.
I sometimes think we have been ceaselessly attacked because of our prosperity for that whole region was extremely prosporouse land of Hay.
Artashes

Sorry retread and still not clear enough. Please tell me if you think I'm wrong . You think of you as a (? Parskahay) and others in this forum think of you in that same sense. I think of you as a man born in (the land of Hay) Armenia.
Artashes

[Artashes]

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I have made made an error of great inconsideration to Eddo and I apologize for my lack of forethought in choosing the time I spoke. I cannot go back and check all posts to be sure of my accuracy but I gatherered you are an Armenian Bourne in present day Iran. I can understand having friends (valued friends) and I can certainly see treating friends. Because my comments emmediatly followed your friendly greeting this can easily seem that I was saying negative about your friendly greeting to your friends. I wasn't . I appolize.
To cut through a lotta talk,if you are from the approximate area that I think one of your posts indicated than here's what I actually think: can't go back and check accuracy now so please excuse(look to the point).approx. 1500 years was when I was talking about. Amazingly after all this time an Armenian is still Bourne in the old home. When I think of a man that was Bourne in the land of Hay. The community there was incredibly vibrant. The trade and family from there to current Baku to Ararat to Van to All around was dynamic. In my eyes you are remnant of those people's. Am I mistaken?

also didn't say that when you speak of places in that area and say :there aren't many (Armenians) left it hurts. That place was 100 percent Armenian.
I sometimes think we have been ceaselessly attacked because of our prosperity for that whole region was extremely prosporouse land of Hay.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Its in Farsi.....a message of good will to our ancient friends.

I have made made an error of great inconsideration to Eddo and I apologize for my lack of forethought in choosing the time I spoke. I cannot go back and check all posts to be sure of my accuracy but I gatherered you are an Armenian Bourne in present day Iran. I can understand having friends (valued friends) and I can certainly see treating friends. Because my comments emmediatly followed your friendly greeting this can easily seem that I was saying negative about your friendly greeting to your friends. I wasn't . I appolize.
To cut through a lotta talk,if you are from the approximate area that I think one of your posts indicated than here's what I actually think: can't go back and check accuracy now so please excuse(look to the point).approx. 1500 years was when I was talking about. Amazingly after all this time an Armenian is still Bourne in the old home. When I think of a man that was Bourne in the land of Hay. The community there was incredibly vibrant. The trade and family from there to current Baku to Ararat to Van to All around was dynamic. In my eyes you are remnant of those people's. Am I mistaken?

[Mos]

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My only worry for Iran is if Islamic revolution takes place in Azerbaijan and it allies itself with Azerbaijan. but such an event is very unlikely in the near future...

[UrMistake]

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Blind nationalism.......fck yea.

Blind no , i took just a fact , don't forget former allies become enemy's in history , at some point it will and again it will be not Armenian fault but blind Muslim fanatics , that's im afraid of , we all know how close is Iran with Pakistan . Western Iran would be against Russian-Armenian interests.