Iranian-Armenian relations

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

You guys are letting an Azeri or a Turkish Irani give you the perception of who Persians are.

You guys should also be aware that with the growing relations between Armenia/Iran our enemies are going out of their way to spoil that relationship.

Most Iranis (especially Persians) will not come to an Armenian site and spread misinformation the way you have witnessed here; they are courteous and hospitable people and have no hostility towards Armenians whatsoever. Crimes like the one mentioned above can happen in any country and has nothing to do with Iranian culture or ways of life. There are nut jobs in every country, kids getting out of hand in every culture, misguided brainwashed numbnuts in every corner of the globe.

Most Iranis consider Armenians their brothers (beyond good friends), and so do many Armenians, not only Persian Armenians. We are culturally close and we relate to each other when we talk about word affairs. We hold many similar values and beliefs in regards to family and friends.

Iranians are in big trouble right now and we Armenians should help them as much as we can, when we can. Our government is already doing their part while trying not to get in trouble with the West.

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Miro was 15 years old at the time this happened!
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You cannot be surprised. They are a culture and people that cheer on the stoning of women, what do you expect from such types?

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I'm glad the moderators decided to ban this sick b@st@rd. His statement above should be enough to ban him permanently.

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Thank you moderators, we all appreciate your hearing us out on this one. When we come to an Armenian forum, we want to have an enjoyable experience. Nuisances like the self-proclaimed "saviour" have no place here, they can take their hate speech to Turkish sites where they'd be welcome with wide-open arms. Thank you!

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

The pyschopath has too much time on his hands...now he's custom making t-shirts online through the multiple services that do that (SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! HE THINKS HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT IT)....LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.............this pyscho needs some professional help and FASTTTT

[Lernakan]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Let me help you out - in 2005 Miro Begijanian decided to use the same types of comments that you encourage other Armenians to use on this site and an Iranian instantly beat him to death.

I'm glad the moderators decided to ban this sick b@st@rd. His statement above should be enough to ban him permanently.

I guess none of you know about the death of Miro so let me explain. This psychopath makes it sound like Miro did something wrong and some "tough" iranian guy beat him to death for that. This is all bullxxxx.

Miro was visiting the yearly Easter bazaar that is held in Ararat club (the biggest Armenian club in Iran) with his girlfriend. When he left the club with his girlfriend to get something to eat, a car with 4! iranians drove next to them and they started yelling insults to his girlfriend. Miro who had to do something to keep his pride (like any man would do) said some things back and kicked at the car. After this the four guys got out and started to inhumanely beat him. They beat him so severely that his ribs get broken and one rib struck his heart which caused internal bleedings. When people found him his body was drenched in blood and his neck was broken.
Miro was 15 years old at the time this happened!

The police caught these guys and one of them was punished by hanging and the other three got life in prison. I hope for the three that they never get out of prison because I know Miro's family are waiting for that day so they can get their revenge.

In my opinion, Persepolis the psychopath who takes pride in this and boasts about it should receive the same punishment as the guys who did it.

I hope that you moderators have decided to ban him permanently.
It would be the same if an azeri came here and boasted about the deeds of Ramil Safarov (which you all know) and got away with it.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Please read what it says:





Originally Posted by Eddo211
Iranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).

Originally Posted by Eddo211
We have however mixed to a small degree with our Persian "Brothers" in the past....Persian girls steal Armenian hearts
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No I didn't *accuse* you of contradicting yourself - I proved it. Syllogistic logic is mathematical in nature: When one says "In the past, present, & future" Iranian-Armenians "only" mixed with Armenians as a means of denying that they mixed with Iranians, and then also says in separate comment "We have however mixed to a small degree with Persians" that is a logical contradiction: case closed. However, it's no big whoop - I'm not saying you're the devil, I am just pointing it out because people completely freaked-out over the fact that I pointed-out there was some mixing going on. I even showed contemporary pictures of mixed Iranian-Armenian families (see below) and there was a damn near riot here among some - while others were totally comfortable with it and recognized the obvious.

Secondly, my accouncement of the material (above) that I will post (if I ever get the chance) does not relate solely to Iranian-Armenians (the subject of the topic above); it relates to (a) the pre-Armenian people (loosely described as the "caveman days" of history); (b) the migration of these people; and (c) who among them eventually mixed with Iranians, when, why, and for how long. Not all of the pre-Armenian people did mix with Iranians (but a lot of those people are also deceased) - in fact, you will find out that there are significant differences in anthropological and genetic patterns.

But here is one thing everyone can take at face value: The dispute between the Arscacid-Armenians and Sasanians was a dispute among Iranian People -- both are Iranians and had a spat over feudal power. Later the Iranian-Ascacid-Armenians also mixed with Sasanian-Iranians after the Sasanians consolidated the empire. I.e., there were at least 2 layers of mixing going on among Iranian tribes. What does that mean in practical terms: If you are Armenian and someone at the supermarket mistakes you for being Iranian - it's probably not a mistake. Lastly, if you are Iranian-Armenian you have a lot to be proud about: In many ways this was the Golden-Era of Armenian prosperity and advancement in the world.

Here's a simple -- yet armchair (informal) -- method if you are curious about your genealogy; if you look like one of the people below, we're cousins: You can even compare the picture of the Iranian-Armenian woman below to the Muslim Iranian women in two prior posts.

That is not what you claimed, you claimed that Armenians were an Iranian people and that is not true. Like I've said in the past intermixing has been on a very limited scale and has for the most part stopped after Armenia turned Christian and gone down even more after Iran turned Muslim. Or are you going to claim that Muslims married Christians?

Your usage of the terms Armenian and Iranian are also very wrong, your are using it as we understand it today not the way the people back then understood the term.

It is also very funny that you keep changing your stance.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Please read what it says:

You mean like the way you acused me of contradicting myself?

ARMENIAN HISTORY UPDATE ... (Don't bother responding to this post - as it is nothing more than an announcement of information that will be posted later.)

Originally Posted by Eddo211
Iranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).

Originally Posted by Eddo211
We have however mixed to a small degree with our Persian "Brothers" in the past....Persian girls steal Armenian hearts
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No I didn't *accuse* you of contradicting yourself - I proved it. Syllogistic logic is mathematical in nature: When one says "In the past, present, & future" Iranian-Armenians "only" mixed with Armenians as a means of denying that they mixed with Iranians, and then also says in separate comment "We have however mixed to a small degree with Persians" that is a logical contradiction: case closed. However, it's no big whoop - I'm not saying you're the devil, I am just pointing it out because people completely freaked-out over the fact that I pointed-out there was some mixing going on. I even showed contemporary pictures of mixed Iranian-Armenian families (see below) and there was a damn near riot here among some - while others were totally comfortable with it and recognized the obvious.

Secondly, my accouncement of the material (above) that I will post (if I ever get the chance) does not relate solely to Iranian-Armenians (the subject of the topic above); it relates to (a) the pre-Armenian people (loosely described as the "caveman days" of history); (b) the migration of these people; and (c) who among them eventually mixed with Iranians, when, why, and for how long. Not all of the pre-Armenian people did mix with Iranians (but a lot of those people are also deceased) - in fact, you will find out that there are significant differences in anthropological and genetic patterns.

But here is one thing everyone can take at face value: The dispute between the Arscacid-Armenians and Sasanians was a dispute among Iranian People -- both are Iranians and had a spat over feudal power. Later the Iranian-Ascacid-Armenians also mixed with Sasanian-Iranians after the Sasanians consolidated the empire. I.e., there were at least 2 layers of mixing going on among Iranian tribes. What does that mean in practical terms: If you are Armenian and someone at the supermarket mistakes you for being Iranian - it's probably not a mistake. Lastly, if you are Iranian-Armenian you have a lot to be proud about: In many ways this was the Golden-Era of Armenian prosperity and advancement in the world.

Here's a simple -- yet armchair (informal) -- method if you are curious about your genealogy; if you look like one of the people below, we're cousins: You can even compare the picture of the Iranian-Armenian woman below to the Muslim Iranian women in two prior posts.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

ARMENIAN HISTORY UPDATE

From What I can tell so far, The Answer to the Highly Simplified Question: Are Armenians Iranians? Is both "Yes" AND "No" - it depends.

You mean like the way you acused me of contradicting myself?

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

ARMENIAN HISTORY UPDATE

I have received feedback from several authoritative sources regarding the genealogy of Armenians - the sources include the Armenian Church, Armenian Historians; and other Scholars in the field. It will likely take me months (depending on the time I have) to post that material in a synthesized format. I have already looked over some of the information and found it very interesting.

From What I can tell so far, The Answer to the Highly Simplified Question: Are Armenians Iranians? Is both "Yes" AND "No" - it depends. But for certain, Armenians are closest to Iranians. The actual details are very interesting. By the way - My earlier description of the Sassanian / Arsacid history is accurate: Anyone interested in that part of the history (considering that its a lengthy part of Armenian history) can go and find it buried somewhere in this thread.

(Don't bother responding to this post - as it is nothing more than an announcement of information that will be posted later.)

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

@ Eddo,

What's that terrible noise in the song you posted ... listen to some classical Persian music instead. Farouk Belsara (Freddie Mercury)
(Iranian = ethnicity; Zanzibar = childhood; British citizen; Zoroastrian-Irani)

This shows the frustration of the young generation with their situation and the system.

My heart bleeds for the oppressed. How could we make them wear those "veils" - their ears are totally covered.