Iranian-Armenian relations

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Browsing through the above mentioned source I must say the so called news agency (Arannews.ir) is clearly anti-Armenian and pro-Azeri. "high rates of inflation in Armenia, poverty, violation of ceasefire by Armenians, killing of Muslim Azerbaijanis" are just some of them...

The guy himself is anti-Armenian but this says something if an anti-Armenian/pro-azeri talks about how Armenians were not responsible for what happened in khojaly.

[Eddo211]

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Ayatollah Ameli talks about how the azeris are responsible for what happened in khojaly
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As reported by Iranian news agency Arannyuz

The source doesn't seem to exist. I know that Arayuz is Turkish word (but I don't know what it means).
Also Panorama.am has no such news that I know of. Any further info?

[ninetoyadome]

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The source doesn't seem to exist. I know that Arayuz is Turkish word (but I don't know what it means).
Also Panorama.am has no such news that I know of. Any further info?

http://www.panorama.am/ru/politics/2011/05/12/imam-ameli/

the article was originally in Russian and i used google translate

and here is the Iranian website

http://www.arannews.ir/fa/

[retro]

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Historically, the reverse was true. The earliest Arab (or, more correctly Syrian) Muslim regimes were always far more inclusive and less extremist. But the Christian population of Syria was huge so they had to be included and tolerated - in Persia, Christians were always just a small minority. In Sassanid Persia they were persecuted because they were seen as potential allies of the Byzantine empire (much in the same way as America persecuted Communists during the Cold War) but that ended after the fall of the Sassanids and Zoroastrianism.

Sunnis view Shia Muslims, as apostates and it's not just the Salafis and Wahhabis, who are at odds with other Islamic sects. On the other hand in Sunni Islam, the People of the Book (Ahl al-Kitab) aren't technically 'infidels' or 'supposed' to be forcefully converted.

And Persia also established most of the more extreme aspects of Islam. Maybe the reason behind that extremism was that Persia, as a response to being invaded, wanted to be more Islamic than those that had conquered it. It was Shia Muslims from Persia that destroyed the Umayyad dynasty in Iraq and Syria.

As you point out, when the Arabs and Turks despoiled Persia, they also poisoned her heart. However fighting a fire with fire risks creating an inferno and the Shia's are most unwise. As Islam is a rope that perishes in the twisting and the Arabs who have long engaged in cultural imperialism and ethnic cleansing, under the banner of Islam. Now face secular rebellions and all sorts of upheavals in the form of rise of pro-democracy and ethnic separatist movements.

[Persopolis]

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Persopolis do u actually believe half the stuff you write? I swear man you are a typing comedy I enjoy reading what you write for pure entertainment value ... its quite funny keep it up!

A statement like yours provides zero factual information; nor does it give me any concerns of yours that I can address. What does it tell me? Nothing. You will also see that prefaced my comment with this statement: "I actually don't have a lot of time this month to write about this - but I'll just make a few notes." Be specific, or don't expect a response.

[Persopolis]

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Even Iranian Muslims are still Zoroastrian in many ways - Iranians' cultural practices, art, poetry, architecture and even social norms all date back to the pre-Islamic era (e.g. Nowruz = Persian Zoroastrian holiday - it has nothing to do with Islam.). Remember: Arabs were largely desert nomads - they were living in tents, not building monuments and printing books like Persians.

One of the problems I have with the video is that it interchangably uses pictures of Shahpur I and Shahpur II for Yazdgard III.

Shapur I capturing Valerian (Cesar): Great story for those who care to look into into it. Shapur built Valerian a prison looking at this exact sculpture of the capture; Shapur I used Rome's Cesar (Valerian) as a foot stool for getting onto his horse. When Valerian offered Shahpur money for his freedom, Shahpur I poured molten gold down Valerian's throat and put him on display.



Shapur II (309-379).


The individual that was supposed to be depicted in the video is Yazdgard III (as shown on the coin below) - What you will notice is that on his coin the symbol taken by Turks and Islam (the moon and the star) was an Pre-Islamic Persian symbol:



Someone here once asked me: How do you know that Persians are not Turks - It's because we kept many pictures; writings; artifacts, and documented history: we know what our characteristics were then, and we know what our characteristics are now.

[Eddo211]

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http://www.panorama.am/ru/politics/2...12/imam-ameli/

the article was originally in Russian and i used google translate

and here is the Iranian website
http://www.arannews.ir/fa/

Thanks a lot....you are the man ninetoydome.

[retro]

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Someone here once asked me: How do you know that Persians are not Turks - It's because we kept many pictures; writings; artifacts, and documented history: we know what our characteristics were then, and we know what our characteristics are now.

Whilst the Triple Crescent moon is something of a insignia of the Turks and Kurds. The Arabian Crescent moon symbol is pre-Islamic and intrestingly Allah had three daughters el-Lat, el-Uzza, and Manat. As the Triple Crescent is a symbol of the triple goddess in Celtic mythology and it very likely has ancient Indic/Indo-European associations.

Whilst Persia contributed greatly to the development of Mathematics, Science, Philosophy and to the Arts. The Arabs are a very diverse peoples and most Arabs where not originally 'Arabs' and where Arabized, such as the Arabized Berbers (Moors), Egyptians and the Syro-Lebanese.

It's also worth noting that Western Semitic peoples of the fertile crescent and Mesopotamia, such as the Assyrians. Have little in common with the Arabs in Arabia. As west Asians and South west Asians form two fairly distinctive groups.

What is done is done and it's a mistake to wage some kind of vendetta, against your enemies and far better to unite and rebuild your nation.

At least to my knowledge the Tajik's are by the most ethnically intact of the Persian peoples and rumors of the eurasiatic Aryan hordes, demise have it seems been greatly exaggerated.

[Mos]

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The wiki article on Karabakh war has decided to include 'Iran' as supporter of azerbaijan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War

[Mos]

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old article but good one:

YEREVAN, 9 Sept. (IPS) President Mohammad Khatami described the relationship between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the orthodox Christian Armenia as a benchmark of peaceful co-existence and cooperation between neighbours.
Arrived on Tuesday for a two days official visit, Mr. Khatami was greeted at Yerevan airport by virtually all members of Armenia's ruling cabinet and paid a warm tribute to Tehran-Yerevan axis, saying the relationship between the Armenian and Iranian peoples can serve as "the best example for all those who want to live side by side and respect each other's sovereignty".
"Armenia’s long history as well as its talented, diligent and self-confident people has had a great impact on the human civilisations”, he added at the end of the first round of meeting with his Armenian host, Robert Kucharian.
Speaking to reporters, he referred to Iran’s glorious civilization of the past eras and the Armenians’ pivotal role in its development and said that even today the Iranian Armenians keep on attempting towards Iran’s independence and progress along with their Muslim compatriots.
"We respect our neighbours and are keen to cooperate with them. We place special focus on Iran-Armenia ties, which can serve as a model for those countries intending to establish relations on the basis of mutual respect.
"We have felt obliged to establish and deepen relations with Armenia since its independence"
"We have felt obliged to establish and deepen relations with Armenia since its independence", he said. "Every year that followed 1991 saw a further development of our relations. The agreements signed today give us hope that they will continue to deepen in the future".

"I declare that this relationship is to the benefit of the sides but not to the detriment of anybody else", Khatami added in an apparent bid to allay concerns expressed by other regional states.
The warm reception of the Armenians and the eloquence of Mr. Khatami’s statements at meetings with Armenian officials contrasted sharply with the rather cool atmosphere of the visit the Iranian President paid to Baku, Yerevan’a arch ‘enemy, last month.
Azerbaijan has been the most vocal critic of that somehow strange friendship, with many Azerbaijani politicians openly accusing the Islamic Republic of effectively siding with Armenia in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

Although Iran has always denied such claims and Khatami stressed that Iran has tried hard to help the two sides finding a peaceful solution to the crisis, confirming during his visit to Baku that Tehran recognises Azerbaijani sovereignty over the disputed region, yet, relations with Azerbaijan remains tense.
What puzzles many observers is that considering cultural, historical and religious bounds that exists between Tehran and Baku, but the fact is that the clerical-ruled Iran is probably the land locked Armenia’s best friend and major supporter, to the point that very often, Azerbaijan accusing Iran of being Yerevan’s most important provider of arms.
Analysts say Baku’s "slide” towards Washington and Tel Aviv, Iran’s main enemies, mutual claims on parts on the oil-rich Caspian Sea, secret activities of Iranian religious circles aimed at turning this Shi’a-dominated Muslim, but secular neighbour into an Islamic Republic are some of the topics explaining the conflicting nature of Tehran-Baku relationship.
"We are ready to make every effort to help resolve crises existing in the region, including Nagorno-Karabakh, and to contribute to the establishment of a lasting peace and stability in the region", Khatami said in a speech at the Armenian Parliament.
"Our region is very sensitive and there is no alternative but to jointly shoulder responsibility..."
Iran is widely regarded in Armenia as a vital geopolitical partner and having close ties with the Islamic Republic is among few subjects of consensus in the Armenian political arena. The Armenian opposition underlined this fact when deputies representing it briefly suspended their boycott of parliament sessions to hear Khatami's speech, the Prague-based Radio Free Europe-Radio Liberty reported in a dispatch from the Armenian Capital.
The chief executive reiterated the need to promote security and tranquillity in Iran and Caucasus and said that security and stability in the two sensitive regions will guarantee scientific and cultural development, according to the official Iranian news agency IRNA.
For his part, President Kocharian referred to President Khatami’s trip to Armenia as the first visit by an Iranian president to the country and said that it is therefore a significant historical event.
"Our region is very sensitive and there is no alternative but to jointly shoulder responsibility for the development and stability of the region", he said, adding that regional countries share ample commonalties, which could help remove existing problems and thwart probable dangers.

The two leaders signed a framework treaty on bilateral cooperation, which they said would further strengthen political and economic links between the two nations.
The president said that most of the inked documents focused on energy and communications and their exchange. "Given that Armenia is located along the North-South Corridor, the closer the communication between the two countries, the better we can serve the entire region and the global economy", he added.
Voicing satisfaction with expansion and deepening of all-out relations between the two countries, he said "I hope to witness further promotion of mutual relations in economic, cultural and political areas".
Kocharian, meanwhile, said that Armenia and Iran should pay particular attention to developing their economic cooperation. He singled out the energy sector where the two nations plan to implement multimillion-dollar joint projects.
The biggest of them is the construction of a pipeline that will ship Iranian natural gas to Armenia and possibly other countries. An agreement on the implementation of the $120 million project was signed by the two governments in Yerevan last May, under which Iran will supply Armenia with a total of 36 billion cubic metres of gas over a 20-year period, expected to start in early 2007.

Armenia's ambassador to Tehran, Gegham Gharibjanian, told RFE/RL this week that work on the Iranian section of the pipeline is already underway and will soon begin on the Armenian side. Energy Minister Armen Movsisian had said earlier that the Armenian government would receive a $30 million (25 million Euros) loan from Iran to finance the construction of the Armenian section.
The construction contract has been awarded to Iranian company Sanir.
The loan should enable Yerevan to finance the 41 kilometres of the 141-kilometre (88-mile) pipeline that cross Armenian territory, Kocharian told journalists after a meeting with his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Khatami.
Despite the energy projects, the volume of Armenian-Iranian trade has steadily declined in recent years and made up only 3.5 percent of Armenia's external commercial exchange last year.
Khatami and his delegation left Yerevan on Thursday, heading for Minsk and then to neighbouring Tajikistan. ENDS IRAN ARMENIA 9904

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2004/september/khatami_armenia_9904.shtml