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  • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

    Iran, Armenia to expand industrial ties
    Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:34AM


    At a meeting between Iranian and Armenian officials, the two sides have called for further expansion of industrial ties between the two countries.

    Iranian Deputy Minister of Industries and Mines Ahmad Khademolmelleh and Armenian Ambassador to Iran Grigor Arakelian met in Tehran and discussed the prospects for the two countries' industrial relations, IRNA reported on Sunday.
    Khademolmelleh pointed to both countries' potentials for bolstering their cooperation in mines and industrial areas and called for organizing industrial tours for Armenian business owners in Iran.

    The Armenian ambassador, on the other hand, announced his country's readiness to participate in the projects introduced by Iran's ministry of industries and mines and asked for more information on the Islamic Republic's potentials in the area.
    Arakelian said that the bilateral trade value between the two states hits $270 million and the figure is on the rise.
    Both sides agreed that managers of both countries' mines and industrial sectors examine the areas of cooperation through a conference.

    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



    http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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      Blue Mosque in Yerevan & Cultural Museum of it:

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          Happy Nowrooz to our Iranian friends! Hope even more Iranians visited Armenia this year to celebrate their New Year!
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            Author: George A. Bournoutian

            George A. Bournoutian (25 September 1943, Isfahan) is a Senior Professor of History at Iona College. He is the author of numerous books on Armenian history and has taught Armenian history at Columbia University, Tufts University, New York University, Rutgers University, the University of Connecticut, Ramapo College, and Glendale Community College. He is currently the Visiting Professor of Armenian History at Columbia.


            The Persian Empire & Perso-Armenia

            “Prior to the third century A.D., Iran had more influence on Armenia's culture than any of its other neighbours [i.e., for thousands of years the Perso-Armeno people were linked]. Intermarriage among the Iranian and Armenian nobility was common. The two peoples shared many religious, political, and linguistic elements and traditions and, at one time, even shared the same dynasty. Sasanian policies and the Armenian conversion to Christianity, in the fourth century, however, alienated the Armenians from Zoroastrian Iran and oriented them toward the West.”

            “Tamerlane's invasion at the end of the fourteenth century and the wars between the Black and White Sheep Turkmen dynasties in the fifteenth century had a devastating effect on the population of historic Armenia.” (Note: Tamerlane was a Mongol Turkic from Uzbekistan.)

            “[In the early 1500s] Shi' ism thus became and remains the state religion of Iran. The emergence of the Safavids (Persian) and the rise of Shi'ism in eastern Anatolia were major threats to the Ottomans, whose claim to the caliphate and the leadership of the Muslim world was challenged by the new Iranian dynasty. In 1514 Sultan Selim I (Ottoman Sultan: 1512-1520) crossed the Euphrates River and for the first time entered historic Armenia. Shah lsma'il (Persia) was not ready to fight the Ottomans (after Tamerlane’s attempted invasion) and withdrew his forces, burning many villages en route to forestall the advancing Ottoman army. Thousands of Armenians were force to leave their land.” … “The harsh Armenian climate and difficulties in transportation and in communications with Constantinople made it possible for the Safavids [and Armenians] to repeatedly survive ….”

            “It was Shah `Abbas the Great (Persia: 1587-1629) who left the greatest imprint on modern Iran and the Iranian Armenian community.” … “He then began the Formation of a new force, recruiting Georgian and Armenian mercenaries and Converts as sharpshooters, and, with European help, fashioned an artillery and the basis of a modem army. He moved his capital from Qazvin to Isfahan, a safer location. Isfahan was also closer to Baghdad, the soft underbelly of the Ottoman Empire.”

            “By the start of the seventeenth century `Abbas felt strong enough to break the peace he had made with the Ottomans in 1590. In the autumn of 1603 the shah advanced to retake Iranian Azerbaijan (Aturpatkan) and to force the Ottomans out of Transcaucasia (Arran) as well. He succeeded in taking the cities of Tabriz, Marand, Ordubad, Akulis, and the province of Nakhichevan, which included the town of Julfa [all of which were part of the historic Persian Empire dating back several thousand years]. The shah was greeted as a liberator by the Armenians….”

            “The Armenian merchants of Julfa, who had been engaged in international trade for some time, were especially happy with the Iranian capture of Julfa.”

            “[After the Ottoman’s attacked again,] [m]ost of the Armenians were eventually settled in Iranian Azerbaijan (Aturpatkan), where other Armenians had settled earlier. Some ended up in the Mazandaran region and in the cities of Sultanieh, Qazvin, Mashhad, Hamadan, Arak, and Shiraz. The wealthy Armenians of Julfa were brought to the Safavid capital of Isfahan. The Julfa community was accorded special care and seems to have suffered less in their migration. They were settled across the banks of the Zayandeh Rud and in 1605 a town, called New Julfa (Nor Jugha, Iran), was constructed especially for them.” … “Persian masons, together with Armenian craftsmen, built the new settlement.” … “Armenians had rights, which were denied other minorities. They elected their own mayor, or kalantar, rang church bells, had public religious processions, established their own courts, and had no restrictions on clothing or the production of wine. … The Armenian mayor was given one of the shah's royal seals in order to bypass bureaucratic tangles and had jurisdiction over the two dozen Armenian villages around Isfahan.” … “Here they were granted trading privileges and a monopoly on the silk trade, which transformed the community into a rich and influential one and New Julfa into a main center of trade between Iran and Europe.” … “The Armenians of New Julfa became a unique part of the diaspora in other ways as well. They formed a separate ecclesiastical unit under their own bishop, appointed by Etchimiadzin, which had jurisdiction over all Armenians of Iran and Iraq. New Julfa soon became a cultural center. A school was opened for the sons of the kolas as well as for some of the talented boys from less prominent Armenian families.”

            “One of the intangible benefits of Armenian economic power in Iran was the transformation of the Armenian self-image. After centuries of conquest by Muslim invaders, Armenians were granted equal and at times even greater privileges than Muslims. This increased prestige extended to the Church as well, and enabled the leaders at Etchmiadzin to regain some control over outlying dioceses and communities and to establish ties with the patriarchs of Constantinople and Jerusalem.”

            “The fall of the Safavids (Persia) and the Afghan occupation of Isfahan and New Julfa in 1722 marked the end of the influence of the kolas, but did not end the Armenian presence in Iran. Large Armenian communities remained in Isfahan, New Julfa, and a number of Iranian cities. The fall of the Safavids encouraged Peter the Great (Russia) to invade the Caspian coastal regions, while the Ottomans broke the peace of Zuhab and invaded eastern Armenia and eastern Georgia in 1723. In two years' time the Ottomans were in control of the entire [Northern] region….”

            “By 1736 a new ruler, Nader Shah (Persia: 1736-1747) and a new dynasty, the Afshars, had restored order in Iran, had convinced the Russians to withdraw, and had pushed the Ottomans back to the boundaries of 1639. Rewarding the Armenian meliks for their stand against the Ottomans, the shah exempted them from tribute and recognized their autonomy.” … “Nader's assassination in 1747 unleashed a fifteen-year period of chaos in eastern Armenia. The exiled Turkic tribes returned and, led by the Javanshir clan, established a strong presence in the plains of Karabagh.”

            [200 Years Ago - The Armenians Began a Forced Separation from thousands of years of Historical Persian Alliance, ultimately leading to the Armenian Genocide at the hands of the Ottoman-Turks, and the Loss of 3/4 of Armenian Land.]

            “In 1801, Russia annexed eastern Georgia and began its final penetration of Transcaucasia (Arran). In 1804 Russia started the First Russo-Iranian war (1804-1813) and a year later, with the assistance of the Armenians of Karabagh had captured half of eastern Armenia.” … “In the end, superior Russian forces conquered all the lands north of the Arax River during the Second Russo-Iranian war (1826-1828). Transcaucasia (Armenia/Arran) became part of the Russian Empire, and the fate of eastern Armenia, henceforth known as Russian Armenia, was inextricably tied to that of Russia.” … “The Armenian school in New Julfa (Iran) received a state subsidy, Armenian clergy and churches were exempted from taxes, and confiscated Church property (from foreign Turkic invasions) was returned. Armenian merchants opened new trading houses in the Caspian and Persian Gulf regions….”

            “By the twentieth century, Iran, like Egypt, was a major center of Armenian life in the Middle East.” … “Armenakan, Hnchak and Dashnak cells opened in Tabriz and Salmas and a number of Armenian revolutionaries sought refuge from the tsarist and Turkish police there. The massacres of 1895-1896 brought Armenian refugees to north-western Iran.” … “Thousands of Armenians had escaped to Iran during the genocide. The Turkish invasion of Iranian Azerbaijan (Aturpatkan) during World War One devastated a number of Armenian communities in that region, such as Khoi. The community experienced a political rejuvenation with the arrival of the Dashnak leadership from Armenia in 1921. The establishment of the Pahlavi dynasty began a new era for the Armenians. The modernization efforts of Reza Shah (1924-1941) and Mohammad Reza Shah (1941-1979) gave the Armenians ample opportunities for advancement. Armenian contacts with the West and their linguistic abilities gave them an advantage over the native Iranians. They soon gained important positions in the arts and sciences, the Iranian Oil Company, the caviar industry, and dominated professions such as tailoring, shoemaking, photography, auto-mechanics, and as well the managing of cafes and restaurants.”

            “Most Armenians, under Dashnak leadership, however, had remained neutral (against communism) or loyal to the (Iranian) regime and were rewarded by the shah, For the next quarter of the century Armenian fortunes rose in Iran, and Tehran, Tabriz, and Isfahan became major centers with some 250,000 Armenians.” … “The shah trusted and liked his Armenian subjects and Tehran, like Beirut, became a major center of Armenian life. Armenian churches, schools, cultural centers, sports clubs and associations flourished and Armenians had their own senator and member of parliament, Thirty churches and some four dozen schools and libraries served the needs of the community. Armenian presses published numerous books, journals, periodicals, and newspapers.”

            “The current government is more accommodating and Armenians, unlike the Kurds and Iranian Azeris, have their own schools, clubs, and maintain most of their churches. The fall of the Soviet Union, the common border with Armenia, and the Armeno-Iranian diplomatic and economic agreements have opened a new era for the Iranian Armenians.”

            EXTRA NOTES:

            Note: After Northern Persia fell to the Russians: Stalin, the Ottomans, and Khazars exploited the turkified name "Azerbaijan."

            Azerbaijan is the turkified name of a province in Iran – not a country: Aturpatkan is the real name of Azerbaijan. ("Aturpat" is Old Persian for “guardian/keeper” of the “fire,” and was also the name of a Persian General. The name for the land was chosen thousands of years ago.) http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Tal...jan/Aturpatkan

            What’s called “The Republic of Azerbaijan” today is Arran (Iran’s Northern Province) and Persian-Armenia (Armenia Major). Those lands were stolen from the Persians and Armenians. The Soviet's admitted this:

            “The name “Azerbaijan” for the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet Azerbaijan) was selected on the assumption that the stationing of such as republic would lead to that entity [and the] Iranian [land] to become one…this is the reason why the name “Azerbaijan” was selected (for Arran)…."

            (Quote from Bartold, Soviet academic, politician and foreign office official. See Bartold, V.V., Sochineniia, Tom II, Chast I, Izdatelstvo Vostochnoi Literary, p.217, 1963.) (Note: if you didn't understand the significance of this quote, this is what it means in plain terms: Arran and parts of Eastern Armenia were taken over, and falsely named "The Republic of Azerbaijan," which is the Turkified name of Persian-Aturpatkan. The reason was so that Aturpatkan, Armenia and Arran could be united as "Azerbaijan" later to steal more land.)

            Anytime when it is necessary to select a name that refers to the territory of "the Republic of Azerbaijan," we should/can select the name Arran to prevent the continuation of the fraud on history. The word "Arran" like "Iran," is marker for the Aryan people. ("In pre-Islamic times, Arrān formed the heart of the province of Caucasian Albania, to be distinguished of course from the Balkan Albania [in Europe], which in fact embraced all eastern Transcaucasia, i.e. Arrān here was a wider concept than that of post-Islamic Arrān, and corresponded grosso modo with the modern Azerbaijan SSR." Historian C. E. Bosworth, Originally Published: December 15, 1986.)

            After Russia had control of Northern Persia (= Armenia / Georgia / Arran (now known as the Rep. of Azerbaijan), Stalin continued to Turkify these lands, with the help of the Khazars and Ottomans. Basically what you have today in "The Republic of Azerbaijan" is Armenians & Iranians under occupation by Khazars (Aliyev etc.). Also, a lot of bad things happened to the Armenians at the hands of the Ottomans: the Ottoman-Turks sold many Armenians into slavery to the Saudi-Arabs (Saudi Arabia - not all Arabs).
            Last edited by Persopolis; 03-20-2011, 02:54 PM.

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            • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

              HAPPY NOWRUZ ('New Day' - The Persian-Zoroastrian Start of Spring - A time for celebration / The Festival of Spring.)


              Note: Ali Larijani - not "Ari Larijani."



              Use your energy wisely in the New Year: There are great dangers for Armenia and Iran that I will be telling you about.

              Learn the Dangers of Pan-Turkism (and "Hidden Armenians" Parskahye that Turkey is trying to Turkify; Aliyev is doing the same thing. MANDATORY VIEWING FOR ALL ARMENIANS: http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/14169915

              In the ancient Armenian town of Van (now Turkey) among the old Armenian ruins, are carvings praising the Persian King Xerxes. As Dr. Bournoutian correctly notes, the Persian/Armenian alliance is thousands of years old.

              This is what the Armenian-Van carving says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Fortress

              "A great god is Ahuramazda, the greatest of gods, who created this earth, who created that sky, who created man, who created happiness for man, who made Xerxes king, one king for all, one ruler for all. I am Xerxes, the great king, the king of kings, king of all kinds of peoples with all kinds of origins, king of this earth great and wide, the son of king Darius, the Achaemenid. King Xerxes says: King Darius, my father, by the grace of Ahuramazda built much that was good, and he gave orders to dig this niche out, but because he did not make an inscription, I ordered this inscription to be made. May Ahuramazda and the other gods protect me, my kingdom, and what I have made."
              Last edited by Persopolis; 03-20-2011, 02:50 PM.

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                Anti-Iranian/Armenian protest in Baku





                Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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                  In the 2nd photo the moron is showing the grey wolves sign, in the west it is known as both a heavy metal sign and the 'goat' which stands for the devil.
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                    Originally posted by Mos View Post
                    Anti-Iranian/Armenian protest in Baku





                    Thanks for finding these pics akhpers. These are Grey Wolf elements, notice the hand gesture the guy in the second picture is doing.
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                      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                      In the 2nd photo the moron is showing the grey wolves sign, in the west it is known as both a heavy metal sign and the 'goat' which stands for the devil.
                      Beat me to it
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