Iranian-Armenian relations

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I think Iran got the weapons and/or the technology but Russia doesn't want to be the guy that undermined the mighty sanctions so they claim they never delivered.

[Mos]

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Unfortunately, the Zionists are so powerful that even Russia is not immune to their pressure. Russia canceled the sale of S-300s to Iran under pressure from the USA and Israel. It speaks volumes when a country cancels hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons sales based on a couple of countries b!tching, especially when one of them is their unofficial enemy. Usually, the Kremlin waves with a single finger and sells all weapons left and right. It's either this or something happened between Russia and Iran that the public does not know about.

And for that the West probably promised not to put on missile shields near Russia. It's all compromises and getting the best deal.

[Mos]

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Don't forget Russia has good ties with Israel also, and there have been weapons sales between the two, and also high profiled state visits. Not to mention also China has been increasing relations with Israel which US was concerned about.

[Federate]

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I think the Russians got something in return for this. Maybe the u.s. and Israel have lowered their support for Tiflis and the rearmament of the Georgian military. Also, Russia declared gadaffi as persona non grata and had plans to supply arms to them as well.

Quite possibly. There has been next to no talk of Georgia and its NATO ambitions for awhile now. Ukraine's NATO ambitions have quieted down too but that is more about Yanukovich's election than anything else.

I think Iran got the weapons and/or the technology but Russia doesn't want to be the guy that undermined the mighty sanctions so they claim they never delivered.

True, it's possible. After all, Russia is building Iran's NPPs while at the same time supporting sanctions against Iran every now and then. For the S-300s case, after Russia announced the cancellation, Iran publicly condemned it and was furious for a few days and announced it will build its own air defence system. That could be acting possibly.

And for that the West probably promised not to put on missile shields near Russia. It's all compromises and getting the best deal.

I'm not sure what the status of the missile shields are but the Czech Republic and Poland are basically on their knees head first to the US for them to put the shield system there. Anyone have an update on that?

Don't forget Russia has good ties with Israel also, and there have been weapons sales between the two, and also high profiled state visits. Not to mention also China has been increasing relations with Israel which US was concerned about.

Russia's ties with Israel are just normal. Nothing special, especially nothing close to US-Israel relation which happens to be the Kremlin's de facto antagonist. Russia has always sold weapons to various Arab countries while US took care of Israel. Russia also recognises the democratically-elected Hamas government as legitimate and what not. The Israeli visits to Russia were exactly for the reason to stop sales of anti-defence missiles to Iran. Now that I think of it, Israel recently sold Hermes UAVs to Russia so that might have been part of the deal.

[KanadaHye]

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And for that the West probably promised not to put on missile shields near Russia. It's all compromises and getting the best deal.

Oh yeah, because Putin knows the West keeps its word.

[Mos]

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Also there is a large Russian J3wish population in Israel, especially a great influx after break up of Soviet Union.

Georgia can forget about NATO, no right minded Military Organisation would accept Sakashvili to be in an alliance after his reckless war against Russia.

[Mos]

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Oh yeah, because Putin knows the West keeps its word.

Well, it didn't happen, plus it's probably more than just a promise, I bet there is some official process to it.

[Persopolis]

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Unfortunately, the Zionists are so powerful that even Russia is not immune to their pressure. Russia canceled the sale of S-300s to Iran under pressure from the USA and Israel. It speaks volumes when a country cancels hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons sales based on a couple of countries b!tching, especially when one of them is their unofficial enemy.

I think the Russians got something in return for this. Maybe the u.s. and Israel have lowered their support for Tiflis and the rearmament of the Georgian military. Also, Russia declared gadaffi as persona non grata and had plans to supply arms to them as well.

I think Iran got the weapons and/or the technology but Russia doesn't want to be the guy that undermined the mighty sanctions so they claim they never delivered.

The good news is Iran developed its own defense system, like the S-300 system. Iran also now controls Southern Iraq (in the South, they are basically Persians that started speaking Arabic after Britain drew a map in the 19th century called "Iraq" -- the real Arabs call the S. Iraqis "Ajam" = fake arabs.); Iran also controls about 1/3 of Afghanistan (the non-Taliban parts), and the Tajiks are pro-Iran (they fought a civil war just to keep Persian as their language); Iran also controls half of Lebanon and is allied with Syria. Iran also has China (who is also being threatened by Pan-Turkism).

"In 1999 official Baku was shocked and angered by news that China had delivered eight Chinese Typhoon multiple rocket systems to Armenia, yet Beijing quickly blamed the private companies for this mistake, called it an "occasional and regrettable incident," and promised to not make the same mistake in the future."

The Russians are being vague regarding their relations with Iran - it may be good or bad.

A ground war with Iran is out of the question, but if Azerbaijan becomes more powerful, and the Russians equivocate or support AZ, it may spell complete doom for Armenia as a nation. During the NK war - Iran was the only land-based supplier of goods, fuel, and equipment to Armenia (the Armenian government called Iran its "lifeline for existence"). Russia also imposed a blockade because of its war with Georgia (which was sponsored by the U.S./Israel). There's definitely a game being played, and Iran and Armenia are the only ones playing it straight -- it's clear where they stand ("Turks out"). Russia is being vague, and the following are all bad news: Turkey, AZ, Israel, U.S., UAE, Saudis.

The Kurds in Turkey & Iraq are too unpredictable - they've shown themselves to be gullible to foreign manipulation - and unfortunately don't have the same kind of academic training as others: As a result every place they graze their sheep, they call "Kurdistan."

The C-I-A & Israel are funding Pan-Turkists on Iran's border with Armenia and have done the same with PKK/PJAK also. Further complicating the matter: there are 3 types of Kurds: one type is 100% pro-Iran (Shia) and very peaceful, and the other 2 types are just nuts, and mostly live in Iraq/Turkey.

Here's the best case scenario: Aliyev is ousted; Armenia and Iran take over Azerbaijan and deport the Pan-Turkists; and ally with Russia and China.

WHY RUSSIA HARDENED ITS STANCE? Chinese Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13268363.htm

Analysts say the following three reasons may explain why Russia has been increasingly tough on Iran on the nuclear issue.

The first is Russia's need to maintain a cooperative relationship with the United States. Since U.S. President Barack Obama took office in 2009, Russia and the United States are trying to improve their relations based on their strategic interests. *** [T]he hardening of Russia's stance on Iran is based on calculations that by applying greater pressures on Iran and forcing it to make concessions on the nuclear issue, Russia could avoid a dilemma where it will have to choose either to offend the United States and other Western countries, or have a profound rift with Iran. Furthermore, there are also inherent problems in Russia-Iran relations. Iran is dissatisfied with Russia's swinging positions on the nuclear issue and there are frictions between the two countries on other issues, including the incompletion of the construction of an Iranian nuclear power plant that Russia helped to build, and the delayed delivery of Russian S-300 air defense missiles. [M]any Russian experts said the hard-line stance will unlikely lead to a complete breakup of the Russia-Iran relationship, which is not in the interests of Russia, and that Russia's tough stance is more verbal than practical. Analysts said that by worsening its relations with Iran, a key regional power, Russia's position in the Middle East could be weakened, and by abandoning a traditional ally, Russia's image as a world power could be undermined. In addition, deterioration of bilateral relations will also hurt Russia's economic interests.

Medvedev Presses Biden on Iran Penalties Targeting Russian Firms - Friday, March 11, 2011
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in talks with U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden rebuked Washington's use of independent penalties against Russian firms for allegedly supporting targeted entities in Iran, Russia's Foreign Ministry said on Thursday

[Mos]

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On 6 September 2010, Russia and Israel signed a five year military agreement.[9][10] In October 2010, Israeli Aerospace Industries signed a $400 million agreement to sell UAVs to Russia. The drones will be assembled in Russia.[11]

[Mos]

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There's definitely a game being played, and Iran and Armenia are the only ones playing it straight -- it's clear where they stand. Russia is vague, and the following are all bad news: Turkey, AZ, Israel, U.S.

No, Russia is not vague when it comes to Armenia. Our relations are set in stone, and we trust Russians more than anybody else. We also have very good relations with Georgia, because most of our economy goes through their territory, so we've had to play a diplomatic game in order to keep solid relations with both countries. For example, we gave Sakashvili a State Medal just after the Ossetia War, Russia was mad about this of course. Our relations with these countries are becoming more and more a priority, and of course our relations with EU. Iran doesn't have the economic markets or potential that Russia or Europe have, especially given all the sanctions on Iran.