Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Your viewpoints are rather odd... I guess even for an odar :P

What is odd about them? Shame on you for thinking that I'm an odar.

[Armanen]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Pffffff .... Without flinching, Iran will exclude 3 million Iranian citizens from the country that are not loyal to Iran, and it has taken these types of actions in the past (the video should give you some indication of that - there are plenty of Pan-Turkic Azeris with busted heads): You seriously think that Iran will continue to support Armenia if the types of comments that Mos writes become the prevalent mindset in Armenia? Tell me you're not one of those adults that believes in Santa Claus.

Saudi's dislike the US, yet America continues to support the saudi regime. Same with Jordan. I think relations would be affected to a certain degree if Armenians were to dislike Iran, but the current leadership and strategic doctrines of both nations emphasize close relations between Armenia and Iran.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What is odd about them? Shame on you for thinking that I'm an odar.

No, I meant your viewpoints are found to be odd from an odar's (Persopolis) point of view.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I pro-Iranian relation as long as it's in the best interest of Armenia, that's the only country I really care for.

And how is it in the best interest of Armenia to alienate the Iranian population while several million Turks congregate on you border and are attempting to convince the rest of Iran to abandon its support for Armenia? Seriously the onus is on you to quote the same statements Mos made and walk everyone through how that will result in a pro-Armenian policy by Iran if Iranians alter their views of Armenians. (Here's the test: What would happen to you if you took Mos's words, wrote a speech based on those words, and delivered them to the Iranian public? What would their reaction be?)

Secondly you really need to explain how a small nation of 3 million people (Armenia) will deal with an increasing danger on its border, as shown in the video, when it alienates Iranians from being Pro-Armenian. (Note: Those are Turks in the video that want the Armenian churches in Iran to be turned into stables to house livestock).

I come from a strong nation - Iran will survive. And will Armenia if Mos's views take hold?

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

No, I meant your viewpoints are found to be odd from an odar's (Persopolis) point of view.

He's telling all Armenians to write a letter to Armenian Government so that they read my posts. He shouldn't be talking when it comes to 'oddness'.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Consequences of Bashing Iran:

[Armanen]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iran is not the only country with an interest in preventing and killing pan-turanism. Russia, Armenia, and China are also interested parties and with Iran they all stand against pan-turanism, regardless if it is in the Caucasus, Central Asia, or Xinjiang.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iran is not the only country with an interest in preventing and killing pan-turanism. Russia, Armenia, and China are also interested parties and with Iran they all stand against pan-turanism, regardless if it is in the Caucasus, Central Asia, or Xinjiang.

True. But Iran is the only country that shares a border with Armenia that is adverse to Pan-Turks, and has power to do something about it -- also in Armenia's case, it is also flanked on the East and West by 2 Pan-Turk oriented states. I doubt a 3rd will improve Armenia's condition. Would Russia then go along with a Turkish-Super-State surrounding Armenia? Who knows. Who wants to even take that risk? Prevention is the best cure.

[jgk3]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

And how is it in the best interest of Armenia to alienate the Iranian population while several million Turks congregate on you border and are attempting to convince the rest of Iran to abandon its support for Armenia? Seriously the onus is on you to quote the same statements Mos made and walk everyone through how that will result in a pro-Armenian policy by Iran if Iranians alter their views of Armenians. (Here's the test: What would happen to you if you took Mos's words, wrote a speech based on those words, and delivered them to the Iranian public? What would their reaction be?)

Secondly you really need to explain how a small nation of 3 million people (Armenia) will deal with an increasing danger on its border, as shown in the video, when it alienates Iranians from being Pro-Armenian. (Note: Those are Turks in the video that want the Armenian churches in Iran to be turned into stables to house livestock).

I come from a strong nation - Iran will survive. And will Armenia if Mos's views take hold?

Since Armenia's Independence, Armenia has been a mostly homogeneous state, the natural result of population transfers. It is not really able to incorporate large scale immigration from non-Armenian ethnic groups and remain "Armenia". Armenians don't want to go to Iran and preach anti-Iranian-ism, they just want to maintain an Armenia for Armenians and feel threatened by being too open with foreigners, especially if they regard Armenia as some kind of haven to run away to because things aren't doing so well in their country. The idea is, you're welcome to come to Armenia, if you want to be an Armenian. This rule of thumb applies to Diasporan Armenians too, who, despite their identity of at the least being of Armenian descent, are not always compatible with the mainstream population of Armenia in terms of culture and national attitudes. Armenians tend to identify very strongly with their church, so that is an instant barrier to largescale immigration of Muslims, whether they are Turkic, Iranian, Cherkes, you name it . Armenians tend to identify very strongly with their language too. So if Iranians want to enter Armenia to find a safe haven, all Mos is really saying here is that it would be in our state's interest to require them to overcome these barriers, by complying with them. The modern republic of Armenia has never been a multicultural nation, I don't think it can be unless it wants to forfeit its identity as a nation for Armenians. If this insults you, then what can I say... Armenians have fought Persians before, and lost because they were much more feeble in might. That is what the battle of Avarayr epically portrays. But the moral is that Armenians stubbornly defended their identity. That is also why Armenians were genocided in recent history. That is the price to be Armenian and desire to remain Armenian at all costs... Not easy huh? So please try to understand Mos' xenophobia from this perspective.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

So please try to understand Mos' xenophobia from this perspective.

I understand it - that's not the issue for me. I am worried about its effects on Armenia if that type of viewpoint gets a wide enough audience or alienates allies. At any rate, I think we understand each other.

ARMENIANS SHOULD EDUCATE THEMSELVES ABOUT PAN-TURANISM / PAN-TURKISM -- One Website about that phenomenon.
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/...ism3/index.htm