Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

[SevSpitak]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

Way to go off topic people!!

I think the answer to this thread is pretty obvious. I don't think there is a single non-biased country in the world. We have Russia to thank for many things, but we also have them to blame for many things as well. Don't think that the EU or USA will be any different. Needless to say, all countries think about their own interests first, and I can't imagine why EU or USA would choose Armenia over Azerbaijan, considering Azerbaijan is ready to use their oil to suck up to any country. Europe could have helped Armenians many times, but as we can all recall, they only helped when they could use us to weaken the Ottoman Empire or give less power to Russia. Things have not changed since. In fact, they've gotten worse, but there's a lot more sugar coating today so it's less apparent: in other words, the world is better at doing politics.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

I just counter your posts on this forum Mos, not for you but just to show other people not every Armenian thinks likes you. I know more than 90% of the Armenians think differently and I am lucky not now, and not in the future people like you will come into power in our beloved country.

I am Armenian. I am not pro-European, nor am I in love with Russia. I just see the reality as it is. The European nations have fooled us too much to trust them. The European nations did not care about the Christians, nor do they care about the Armenians now. Their foreign policy is based upon imperialism, slavery and wars. They do not care about human lives. They do not care about democracy. In fact, they have succeeded in blinding their own people, so their population only thinks about sex, partying, money and have become a people of anti-Christ.

Let the world learn about our culture. We are Armenians. We were, are and will not be Europeans. We will not be Asians. We will not be Russians. We have to maintain our culture, we have to strengthen our culture and we have to make Armenia a country based on Armenian values.

Again I state. The only contacts we have to have with Europe are economical, nothing more. I understand you are blind, and blind people are the ones who usually talk the most nonsense, I just try to counter this as much as I have free time.

What happened after France recognized the Armenian genocide? Indeed, the bilaterel economic trade only improved with Turkey. It's just to please some pity Armenians, and Turks succeed in this by trying to ''counter'' it heavily (so pity people thought they achieved something). I am not against it, but there are far more important priorities for the Republic of Armenia these days.

What does the few million of support to Nagorno-Karabakh do? It just makes some blind people like you happy, who in the end try to defend the USA and EU with their lives, above other Armenian organizations like the Dashnaktutyun who did a lot more than some imperialistic countries, who shed their BLOOD and LIVES (shame on you, even by knowing this SPITING on their graves and supporting people who did not risk their lives, SHAME). You are a danger to our country, and I and other Armenians will prevent people like you taking power. Not now, and not in the future will people like you and your filthy compatriots like bell-the-cat (non-Armenians) have a SINGLE influence in my beloved nation.

We are not considered Europeans and we are not Europeans. We are Armenians, we are not comparable to any other nation on the world. We are also not ''blond'' and do not have ''blue'' eyes. Other nations can be jealous on our history. Let them consider themselves as ''Armenians''.

You non-intelligent person. I will never sell my country, my ancient culture, just to be as backward as some European nations are today, with no pride, with no national ideology whatsoever.

Another revelation for you Mos. Our government is not with the EU. We just want to get as much benefits as we can from them, as any other country in the world. It's pure economics and self interest. I can state we have better relationships with Iran than with most of the European countries. This does not make us culturally more closer to Iranians, nor does this state we want to be like Iran.

You are not an Armenian. You yourself have an identity crisis, which people like bell-the-cat and other non-Armenians are trying to abuse. You do not trust your country. You do not trust your people. You do not trust your culture. By this, you are a great threat to your own nation and people, without being aware of this.

Armenia is Armenian. We are not European. Europe is not our future, and people like you will play no role in our future.

[Mos]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

First off, stop saying that I'm not Armenian and I'm some Turk agent. It's ridiculous, and rather hurtful I must say as my ancestors were killed by those monsters, and me being alive today is nothing short of a miracle and it's all thanks to Andranik Ozanian (bless is soul) that a few of my ancestors were able to survive and make it to present day Armenia from Sasun. So you don't have to do it out of respect for me, but out of respect for my ancestors who lost their lives because of those murderers.

Second, I've never seen an Armenian as anti-West as you are. Most Armenians are very open to the relations with Europe and open-minded in this regard. Your close mindedness is what's dangerous to Armenia, you wanting Armenia to cut its contacts with the rest of the world, that's not how it works. A country like Armenia cannot survive like that it needs to have robust relations with the major powers, especially with the EU.

Our government is with the EU and it's currently negotiating an associative agreement with the EU. EU is by far Armenia's biggest economic partner, which is very important for us, and every year the government is reforming to meet EU standards like cutting down on corruption and making elections more free. Oh did I miss that they were reforming to meet Iran's standards? Is that what you want? A theocracy where woman are stoned for ridiculous accusations? Armenian Government is with the EU and you must be truly blind for not seeing that, the government frequently states its highest foreign policy priority is the EU.

No one is saying for Armenia to relinquish its culture. On the other hand, don't confuse modern culture (clothes, movies, music) with ancient ethnic culture (folk music, food, customs, etc.). Second, cultural exchange is very important. What's so bad about having French concerts in Armenia, or Armenian concerts in France? I really don't understand how someone can be opposed to that. You go through Yerevan today you will find European clothes store, european cafes, the influence is apparent and it does not signify the death of Armenian culture, and it's ridiculous to think so.

Being blond and blue eyed has nothing to do with being european, you can find such people in tajikistan or Afghanistan.

You really know how 90% of Armenians think?? How full of yourself are you? Go ask the average Armenian in Yerevan, no one is as hostile to EU as you are, actually people welcome the glowing relations. You are lost in some deluded mindset and think that in order to be Armenian one must follow that same narrow mindset. Absolutely not. You can be pro-EU and be just as patriotic Armenian, you can be against the politics of Dashnaks and still be just as good Armenian. I will tell you last time, that my anti-Dashnak stance comes from ARF politics not the people who fought in the wars.

I'm glad the government is not like you, honestly I don't know any people like you in Armenia, you seem to be alone in your hostile thoughts, Armenia should continue the path its on, reform the country, rid it of corruption and poverty, make the government responsible for the people, improve education and revitalize the economy. Our political future is and always will be with EU there's nothing you can do. It has to do nothing about selling our culture, it's a choice that's been made a long time ago.

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[Mos]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

I suggest you read some of these:

Armenia-Europe ties as old as European Continent - Armenian Foreign Minister

The Council of Europe 2010 Forum for the Future of Democracy wrapped up its work in Yerevan today. It launched October 19 bronging together senior officials of the Council of Europe and its member states, public and political figures. Secretary General of the Council of Europe Thorbjørn Jagland and Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian delivered speeches at the closing ceremony.

“It was a great honor for us to see outstanding political figures, analysts, experts here. We witnessed intensive debates and discussions, drew our attention to brave thoughts. I express gratitude to the Secretary General of the Council of Europe Thorbjorn Jagland for his contribution to the works of the Yerevan forum,” Armenian FM said.

The minister said it is a naive to think that during the three days of the forum it is possible to find answers to all the questions and solve all the issues. The value of this process, Edward Nalbandyan said, is the continuative nature of the discussions over the democratic issues and their being deprived of stereotypes. “It depends on our joint efforts how effective the Council of Europe will serve as an important political arena for All-European debates and for the collective efforts promoting the European unity,” he noted.

According to the foreign minister, for participating in the forum delegates arrived in Armenia, part of Europe where people have fought for centuries for the same civilization values. “The ties between Armenia and Europe are as old as the European Continent. They date back to the times, when the enlightened sons of our nation were contributing to the formation of the value system called European values.”



“Armenia will soon celebrate the 20th anniversary of independence. The past 20 years have been a period of essential transformations for both Armenia and Europe, which we tried to pass hand in hand,” Edward Nalbandian stated.

“Democracy is a living organism with national, regional and universal peculiarities, which is constantly developing. We may agree that democracy should be continuous, otherwise it will stop being democracy,” Minister Nalbandian said.

The Grosso d'Oro Veneziano award was bestowed on Armenia's Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian by the Masi Foundation of Italy's Veneto Region, on September 24. The prize is a special award on an international level for individuals who have contributed to the cause of peace and brotherhood among nations. It was conferred on Minister Oskanian for his contribution to Armenia's integration into European structures, to the deepening of Armenia-Italy ties, and for his active involvement in peace talks.

In the 8th century St. George Cathedral in Verona, before several hundred Italian intellectuals, artists and businessmen, the Masi Foundation held its 25th awards ceremony.

After receiving the award x a sculpture in silver, decorated with grapes as well as designs from ancient khachkars, and topped with a gold medal x the Minister spoke about Armenia's determination to pursue the path of European integration. He also spoke about traditional Armenian-Italian ties and the upcoming Italian-Armenian Days in Yerevan.

During the ceremony, other awards were also given to those who protect and promote Veneto's historic legacy and cultural values. The Masi Foundation, in line with its guiding philosophy and with an original policy for recognizing subtle changes in the world, awarded prizes for excellence in education, medicine, theater, fashion, as well as in the area of vinoculture. The Masi Foundation was created and is run by the descendants of the Italian poet Dante Alighieri.

The only other recipient of the Grosso d'Oro Veneziano has been Slovenia's former President, Milan Kucan.

Below is the text of the Minister's remarks:

Honorable members of the Board of Directors of the Fondazione Masi, Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am privileged to receive this prestigious award, il Grosso d'Oro Veneziano. This is a special day for me. And this is, of course, a special place, a special foundation and a special family with a glorious history of 650 years stretching all the way back to one of the greatest poets of all times, Dante Alighieri.

Dante's descendants valued their heritage and helped pass on his legacy. This legacy clearly manifests itself in modern Italy and the Region of Veneto.

Italy and Veneto also share a legacy with Armenians. There is much symbolism in the fact that Armenia's coming back to Europe is being noted and celebrated here, in Italy.

Armenian-Italian connections are based on rich and ancient traditions. It was in Italy in 1512, that Hakob Meghapart published the first book ever in Armenian. The Urbatagirk (or Book of Days) was followed in 1513 with the first published Armenian calendar. The renowned Briton, Lord Byron, referred to the Venetian island of San Lazaro as a fortress of Armenian independence, since the Armenian monks of the Order of Mekhitar had found refuge there in the early 1700s. For the last three centuries, that haven has turned into a scientific and cultural locus.

Today, if you ask the Mekhitarist fathers whether they are Venetian, they will say yes. If you ask them whether they are Armenian, they will say yes. One can say that they were pioneers in establishing a common European identity, about which we speak proudly, yet with some apprehension.


If it used to be religion that bound Europe together a millennium ago, it certainly isn't any longer. Nor is it the economic advancement that was specific to Europe two centuries ago. It isn't ideology either, which was both adhesive and encumbrance for decades in the last century.

Europe is more than its common history, more than geography, more than a club for members. All those who've said Europe is an idea are right. It is the idea of a Europe that is the common, if unattainable ideal.

Even those living outside this space have imagined and desired a Europe which can be addressed collectively, a partner which can be enlisted conveniently, a Europe to which they yearn to belong.


Armenia is Europe. This is a fact, it's not a response to a question.

The collapse of the USSR brought us to a point of economic and political crisis. I remember our discussions in Armenia, before our entry into the Council of Europe. There were many questions about the choice of path to take.

Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. I'm happy to say I won't be going there because I was among the loudest advocates of the European path.

The choice was clear. Armenians believe in the values of the European enlightenment, of European civilization. The moral, ethical and existential choices that bring individuals and societies to select democracy over other forms of government, rule of law over rule of man, human rights over selective rights x those choices have been made.

A people who have lived under subjugation, have seen ethnic cleansing and genocide even before the terms existed, have lived as a minority without rights, now belong to a world where warring neighbors have found that they can accept new borders based on realities on the ground and move on. Europe's nation-states have found that they can transcend borders, without diminishing or ignoring cultural spaces, without expecting historical identities to vanish.

The European Neighborhood Policy brings Armenia back home since Armenia's foreign policy priority is the gradual integration of Armenia into European institutions.

In his presentation, my good friend, Senator Demetro Volcic described in ponderous detail my country's foreign policy priorities. I must admit that he is well aware of them not as a common bystander, but as a caring and thoughtful professional, who has proven to be instrumental in helping to integrate Armenia into the modern European architecture.

The double digit GDP growth, which Armenia achieved each of the last five years, the successful admission into the WTO, the spirit of the free enterprise, the changing political system and society are promising signs that we are on the right track. However, it is too early to say that the European standard is round the corner. It is not as close yet as Europe itself, as Venice, as Verona, as the shared cultural and religious values of the past and present.

To highlight and share those values, we will be launching a two-month long Days of Italy in Armenia, beginning in early October. This project has received the blessing and patronage of President Ciampi, President Kocharian and Governor Galan. The centerpiece of these important events will be an exhibition of the riches from the Isla Armena.

In light of all this, then, the Fondazione Masi has, in bestowing upon me this award, put a great stamp of approval on Armenia, its foreign policy directions, its European orientation, its future.

I thank you

Armenia is not only currently looking West, but also enjoys healthy diplomatic relations with some of the world’s major powers, an academic from Yerevan University in Armenia said at a recent seminar in Istanbul.

Hovhannes Hovhannisyan said there is a quite strong opinion in Armenia that the country’s future lies with Europe. “There is no talk about Asia,” he said, adding that Armenian society considers itself European and celebrates its European origins and values. He also said Armenia shares a significant history with Europe because Armenian comes from the same language family as many European languages.

Hovhannisyan, in collaboration with Heghine Manasyan, a research fellow at the Caucusus Research Center, spoke Monday at a seminar about socio-economic and political life in Armenia, organized by Istanbul Kültür University’s Global Political Trends Center, or GPOT, in cooperation with the Eurasia Partnership Foundation and the United States Agency for International Development, or USAID, in Istanbul.

Armenia looks West

Hovhannisyan said public debate regarding Armenia’s European future has intensified since 2001, when Armenia became a member of the Council of Europe. “There are no real plans in the nearest future [for Armenia] to become an EU member,” he said, adding this did not imply it was an impossible situation.

Hovhannisyan said Armenian public bodies paid a lot of attention to the Eastern Partnership Program with the EU, especially the Ministry for Foreign Affairs. He said the ministry, with assistance from the EU, had founded a Diplomatic Academy where EU partners and representatives gave lectures.

Manasyan said projections regarding the Armenian economy and the country’s long-term sustainable development focused on integrating with the European economy, which sounded very strange to people in the beginning. “Now it has become clear that Armenia is eager to accept all EU standards,” she said, adding that if Armenian goods meet all EU quality standards penetrating European markets would be possible.

While it is good to diversify trade partners, Armenia’s trade relations with Russia remain the primary Armenian economic concern, as Russia is the country’s biggest trade partner, she said.

“We are importing fuel and cereals from Russia and it is exporting labor to us, thus we also get remittances from there,” Manasyan said.

Manasyan said efficient cooperation with the world’s Armenian diaspora would make the country much more powerful. High levels of corruption had to be reduced to make the country more attractive to foreign direct investment from the Armenian diaspora.

Trade between Turkey and Armenia?

Although a closed border with Turkey is one of the main challenges to improving the Armenian economy, this does not necessarily imply that Armenia does not trade with Turkey, according to Manasyan. Research has revealed that trade happens through Georgia, she said.

“Businesses managed to establish third entities in Georgia and thus it is difficult to guess which was the country [to have instigated trade],” Manasyan said, adding that while the Turkish Statistical Institute, or TurkStat, records zero trade practices with Armenia, the Armenian national statistics office has recorded huge quantities of imports from Turkey, which is the sixth main trading partner, representing 5 percent of total imports. On the other hand, exports to Turkey represented only 0.2 percent of Armenia’s total exports.

Both speakers at the seminar said building closer links through non-official channels was one way to effectively improve relations between the Turkish and Armenian people. “Track-two diplomacy is as crucial as official diplomacy,” Hovhannisyan said.

Silent diplomacy

Regarding Armenia’s healthy relations with the U.S., Russia and Iran, Hovhannisyan said Armenia managed to maintain such relations by a process of so-called silent diplomacy.

“We never ask questions [on issues that might be sensitive for any of the countries],” he said. This is how Armenia has managed to maintain relations with these three countries, whose conflicting interests often curtail active and simultaneous diplomatic engagements, he said.

As an example of good relations between countries, Artak Shakaryan, the Armenia-Turkey Program Manager at the Eurasia Partnership Foundation, cited Armenia and Iran. The two countries were exchanging natural gas for electricity within the scope of a barter system, he said.

"Armenia gives Iran electricity during summer in exchange for natural gas from Iran during winter," he said. The Armenian diaspora has also done much to affect this possibility, through lobbying and maintaining good relations with Russia, Iran and the U.S., Hovhannisyan said.

http://www.europeanmovement.am/

http://www.eufoa.org/

http://www.eeas.europa.eu/armenia/index_en.htm

http://ec.europa.eu/delegations/armenia/index_en.htm

[Tigranakert]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

Second, I've never seen an Armenian as anti-West as you are. Most Armenians are very open to the relations with Europe and open-minded in this regard. Your close mindedness is what's dangerous to Armenia, you wanting Armenia to cut its contacts with the rest of the world, that's not how it works. A country like Armenia cannot survive like that it needs to have robust relations with the major powers, especially with the EU.

I am not anti-Western. I myself lived in a Western country for a long time, it's their culture, their history, their country and I don't bother. I am open to relations with every country, but not the way you promote it. We have to have economic relations with European countries, with Asian countries, with Iran, I see no difference between them. Not a single time did I mention to cut off our ties, but as usual you do not understand a single point I make. I understand why.

Our government is with the EU and it's currently negotiating an associative agreement with the EU. EU is by far Armenia's biggest economic partner, which is very important for us, and every year the government is reforming to meet EU standards like cutting down on corruption and making elections more free. Oh did I miss that they were reforming to meet Iran's standards? Is that what you want? A theocracy where woman are stoned for ridiculous accusations? Armenian Government is with the EU and you must be truly blind for not seeing that, the government frequently states its highest foreign policy priority is the EU.

Our government wants to have good relations with every country surounding us. That's the good thing to do, but luckily our government is not blinded by the European Union as you are. We realize they are no angels. We try to build good relations with EU - Russia - Iran- Arabian Countries - China and even Turkey. You blind person, you think Iran is the only country killing innocent people? Do I really have do tell you how many weapons the European Union sells to dictaters who kill people? Do I need to tell you how many dictators they directly support? Do I need to tell you how many innocent people they have killed today and the last centuries? You brainwashed, uneducated biased European you are. Have some selfrespect. I do not defend Iranians, nor do I defend Europeans. I am on neither side (thank you for showing your biasedness).

(Imports - partners: Russia 24.02%, China 8.72%, Ukraine 6.15%, Turkey 5.39%, Germany 5.36%, Iran 4.07% (2009)) Where do you get the nonsense from that the EU is ''BY FAR'' the largest economic partner? It's not true, like the many other lies you and bell-the-cat are used telling.

No one is saying for Armenia to relinquish its culture. On the other hand, don't confuse modern culture (clothes, movies, music) with ancient ethnic culture (folk music, food, customs, etc.). Second, cultural exchange is very important. What's so bad about having French concerts in Armenia, or Armenian concerts in France? I really don't understand how someone can be opposed to that. You go through Yerevan today you will find European clothes store, european cafes, the influence is apparent and it does not signify the death of Armenian culture, and it's ridiculous to think so.

You are already relinquishing our culture, daring to put the European flag behind the Armenian flag, and together with that insulting our people so much, showing you have so much hatred against the Dashnaks, that you put anti-Dashnak in your quote. I feel sorry for you. You are not talking about a French movie in Armenia, so don't try to fool me here.

You really know how 90% of Armenians think?? How full of yourself are you? Go ask the average Armenian in Yerevan, no one is as hostile to EU as you are, actually people welcome the glowing relations. You are lost in some deluded mindset and think that in order to be Armenian one must follow that same narrow mindset. Absolutely not. You can be pro-EU and be just as patriotic Armenian, you can be against the politics of Dashnaks and still be just as good Armenian. I will tell you last time, that my anti-Dashnak stance comes from ARF politics not the people who fought in the wars.

The latest Gallop Poll showed more than 90% of the Armenians prefer Russia over the USA. Again I am not hostile against the EU. I just state we should have economic relations with them, and we need to realize they are not our friends nor they will be our friends in the future. One should read the history to understand their culture is based upon self-interest, imperialism and unjustice. If we do not, we will get blinded and we will have more Armenians like you, who will think we can rely on them, but when the times comes, we will get betrayed. You fool, we are Armenian and no nation, no country, no region can be comparible to us. We are on our own, we have no others except for each other.

I'm glad the government is not like you, honestly I don't know any people like you in Armenia, you seem to be alone in your hostile thoughts, Armenia should continue the path its on, reform the country, rid it of corruption and poverty, make the government responsible for the people, improve education and revitalize the economy. Our political future is and always will be with EU there's nothing you can do. It has to do nothing about selling our culture, it's a choice that's been made a long time ago.

I don't want to make you cry, but the government just thinks the same as me and many others. I never stated we need to have more corruption, and more poverty, and not improve education. These things we, Armenians, need to improve. And yes, we are slowly continueing our path, and from the inside we will infiltrate to make it less corrupt and more Armenian (not ''European'').

[araratsi]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

The West really doesnt need us if they do help its because many of us live in the west but if Armenia was to become something special like find huge oil reserves we would have many friends and the world would be saying those poor Armenians suffered at the hands of the evil turks .

[Mos]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

I am not anti-Western. I myself lived in a Western country for a long time, it's their culture, their history, their country and I don't bother. I am open to relations with every country, but not the way you promote it. We have to have economic relations with European countries, with Asian countries, with Iran, I see no difference between them. Not a single time did I mention to cut off our ties, but as usual you do not understand a single point I make. I understand why.

Sure you aren't anti-Western...Their history? What particularly about their history bothers you? The same brutality that you speak of can be seen in every history don't only isolate it to Europe. And the culture is a Western culture than can be seen in many countries even stretching to East Asia. The only place it doesn't exist maybe is in Islamic countries like Iran or Pakistan.

Our government wants to have good relations with every country surounding us. That's the good thing to do, but luckily our government is not blinded by the European Union as you are. We realize they are no angels. We try to build good relations with EU - Russia - Iran- Arabian Countries - China and even Turkey. You blind person, you think Iran is the only country killing innocent people? Do I really have do tell you how many weapons the European Union sells to dictaters who kill people? Do I need to tell you how many dictators they directly support? Do I need to tell you how many innocent people they have killed today and the last centuries? You brainwashed, uneducated biased European you are. Have some selfrespect. I do not defend Iranians, nor do I defend Europeans. I am on neither side (thank you for showing your biasedness).

And so has every other country done bad things in their past, not country is an angel don't try to pin it all on Europe and pretend no other country has done bad things. I never said we should have bad relations with other countries, the more countries we have trade and partner relations with the better. I'm only emphasizing the political direction of Armenia which is towards the EU.

(Imports - partners: Russia 24.02%, China 8.72%, Ukraine 6.15%, Turkey 5.39%, Germany 5.36%, Iran 4.07% (2009)) Where do you get the nonsense from that the EU is ''BY FAR'' the largest economic partner? It's not true, like the many other lies you and bell-the-cat are used telling.

Take a look at some official governmental data not wikipedia...

Since 2004, the EU has become the main trade partner of each country (in 2009 trade with the EU represented 30.4% of overall trade for Armenia, 42.8% for Azerbaijan and 29.4% for Georgia). These countries' share of overall EU trade remains very low, however (less than 0.5% altogether).

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/doc...doc_113345.pdf

You are already relinquishing our culture, daring to put the European flag behind the Armenian flag, and together with that insulting our people so much, showing you have so much hatred against the Dashnaks, that you put anti-Dashnak in your quote. I feel sorry for you. You are not talking about a French movie in Armenia, so don't try to fool me here.

Insulting our people? When have I insulted Armenians? Stop making up BS all the time it's really annoying, I never insulted Armenian people!! And yes I disagree with Dashnak politics, does it say somewhere that in order to be an Armenian you have to be Dashnak?? Think again. There are many patriotic Armenians that don't agree with Dashnak politics.

The latest Gallop Poll showed more than 90% of the Armenians prefer Russia over the USA. Again I am not hostile against the EU. I just state we should have economic relations with them, and we need to realize they are not our friends nor they will be our friends in the future. One should read the history to understand their culture is based upon self-interest, imperialism and unjustice. If we do not, we will get blinded and we will have more Armenians like you, who will think we can rely on them, but when the times comes, we will get betrayed. You fool, we are Armenian and no nation, no country, no region can be comparible to us. We are on our own, we have no others except for each other.

Most Armenians agree with the fact that Armenia should go towards EU. That's not saying breaking relations with Russia. So now you are afraid of betrayal? You know the amount of control that Russia has over Armenia now. If there's anybody that can betray Armenia and do damage is Russia. Azeris have gas and oil, and Russia would trade our welfare for those resources in a heartbeat, don't be blind to that either. We are not becoming a vessel to EU (which is rather impossible as EU is not a country) we are only integrating with their structures both political and economical. Our reforms should be done with EU standards as they have the best direction for such reform.

I don't want to make you cry, but the government just thinks the same as me and many others. I never stated we need to have more corruption, and more poverty, and not improve education. These things we, Armenians, need to improve. And yes, we are slowly continueing our path, and from the inside we will infiltrate to make it less corrupt and more Armenian (not ''European'').

The government recognizes the importance of the EU, and by keeping relations with our neighbors it has stated again that EU is a priority for Armenia. Are you going to state that as well? Are you going to agree with the statements of the foreign ministers Nalbandian and Oskanian which I posted? Every year the influence of EU is growing in Armenia, there are EU information centres open in Armenia, european companies investing, many european tourists, and so on. It's not selling a culture and it's not selling Armenia. If anything we are selling Armenia to Russia not EU.

[haysip]

Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

100% agreed with Tigranakert.

@ mos
մոս, ազգայնական դիրքորոշման փոխարեն արեւմտական դիրքորոշում ունես, որը շատ վտանգավոր է: Առավել եւս, երբ ընդհանրապես չի ճանաչում այդ “Եվրոպական արժեքների” էությունը: Այդ արժեքները ոչ միայն քաղաքացիականւ իրավունքի լավ կողմերն ունեն, այլ նաեւ… հրեշավոր կողմեր կան, որ կարող ես տեսնել միայն երբ ապրում ես նրանց համակարգում: Միայն մեկ օրինակ. արեւմտյան արժեքները լուծարում են ԸՆՏԱՆԻՔ արժեքը, լուծարում են ԱԶԳ եւ ԱԶԳԱՅԻՆ ՄՇԱԿՈՒՅԹ արժեքը եւ այլն:

1.Եվրոմիությունը ծրագրավորված եւ ստեղծված է Եվրոպական 12 բանկային կայսրությունների կողմից, իրենց սեփական շահերի եւ եւրոպական ժողովուրդներին ու պետությունները վերահսկելու համար:
2.Եվրոպական երկրներից ոչ մեկում չի եղել ժողովրդական ռեֆերենդում եւ ժողովրդից չեն հարցրել՝ արդյո՞ք նրանք ցանկանում են մտնել այդ միության մեջ: Եվ բոլորը՝ թե Ֆրանսիացին, թե գերմանացին եւ այլն, դժգոհ են այդ միությունից եւ այդ միությունը ներկայացնող դրամաշրջանառությունից:
3.Եվրոմիության տնտեսական համակարգը ստեղծողները վերցրել են նախկին Սովետական Միության կենտրոնաձիգ ձեւաչափը:

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Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

I am Armenian. I am not pro-European, nor am I in love with Russia. I just see the reality as it is. The European nations have fooled us too much to trust them. The European nations did not care about the Christians, nor do they care about the Armenians now. Their foreign policy is based upon imperialism, slavery and wars. They do not care about human lives. They do not care about democracy. In fact, they have succeeded in blinding their own people, so their population only thinks about sex, partying, money and have become a people of anti-Christ.

Let the world learn about our culture. We are Armenians. We were, are and will not be Europeans. We will not be Asians. We will not be Russians. We have to maintain our culture, we have to strengthen our culture and we have to make Armenia a country based on Armenian values.

Whilst I agree with you that the Armenians should preserve their own cultural and ethnic identity. This anti-Western bias of your is immature and you are making all sorts of generalisations. Armenia has little to lose by improving it's bilateral relations with the EU and Europe isn't a threat to Armenia's integrity (unlike Iran).

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Re: Biasedness of the European Union - USA - Western countries towards Armenia

Mos, hayeren xosumes?