Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Despite that quibble I actually think it's a well-worded statement on the situation. By Serzh Sargsyan. What is happening to the world?

I don't think it is that well worded - it is better than no words at all, but not by much. It displays an almost masochistic regard for the inevitability of disaster. This is what I meant when I wrote about what i see as a "Just do nothing and wait for the thing to happen that you think has to always happen" attitude. If he is that concerned about past disasters - why the complete inability to try to prevent future ones? The inevitability of the complete destruction of Armenian Kessab was as inevitable as the complete destruction of Armenian Aleppo which was in turn as inevitable as the complete destruction of Iraq's Armenian community which was in turn as inevitable as ....and so on. Sargsyan should not need to go all the way back to 1909 or 1915 to know that. All Armenians seem capable of doing is after-disaster hand wringing. I'm not saying that some Armenian hero should hack the head off some American soldier or politician to wake the world up (though what a wonderous moment that would be), but Armenians seem so cowed and defferential they barely whisper a protest at their own extinction.

Why is Sargsyan not sending some of Armenia's armed forces directly to Syria to defend Armenians there? Or is that remit for humanitarian protection of its people only allowable for America or Russia or France or Turkey? Or is it just that Sargsyan is too unimaginative to actually do something beyond words?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Why is Sargsyan not sending some of Armenia's armed forces directly to Syria to defend Armenians there? Or is that remit for humanitarian protection of its people only allowable for America or Russia or France or Turkey? Or is it just that Sargsyan is too unimaginative to actually do something beyond words?

And, to prempt the usual abuse from the usual cretins, i just noticed this post by Hyedavid:

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/11485-Nagorno-Karabagh-Military-Balance-Between-Armenia-amp-Azerbaijan?p=349936&viewfull=1#post349936

Artsakh MP Calls for Armenian Armed Units to Defend Kesab

http://hetq.am/eng/news/53602/artsakh-mp-calls-for-armenian-armed-units-to-defend-kesab.html

[lampron]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

And, to prempt the usual abuse from the usual cretins, i just noticed this post by Hyedavid:

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/11485-Nagorno-Karabagh-Military-Balance-Between-Armenia-amp-Azerbaijan?p=349936&viewfull=1#post349936

Artsakh MP Calls for Armenian Armed Units to Defend Kesab

http://hetq.am/eng/news/53602/artsak...end-kesab.html

With Islamic extremists active for 2 years and not very far away it is still a valid question why local Armenians didn't arm themselves instead of waiting for the Syrian army to defend them

[Hakob]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

I don't think it is that well worded - it is better than no words at all, but not by much. It displays an almost masochistic regard for the inevitability of disaster. This is what I meant when I wrote about what i see as a "Just do nothing and wait for the thing to happen that you think has to always happen" attitude. If he is that concerned about past disasters - why the complete inability to try to prevent future ones? The inevitability of the complete destruction of Armenian Kessab was as inevitable as the complete destruction of Armenian Aleppo which was in turn as inevitable as the complete destruction of Iraq's Armenian community which was in turn as inevitable as ....and so on. Sargsyan should not need to go all the way back to 1909 or 1915 to know that. All Armenians seem capable of doing is after-disaster hand wringing. I'm not saying that some Armenian hero should hack the head off some American soldier or politician to wake the world up (though what a wonderous moment that would be), but Armenians seem so cowed and defferential they barely whisper a protest at their own extinction.

Why is Sargsyan not sending some of Armenia's armed forces directly to Syria to defend Armenians there? Or is that remit for humanitarian protection of its people only allowable for America or Russia or France or Turkey? Or is it just that Sargsyan is too unimaginative to actually do something beyond words?

In 70's and early 80's community in Lebanon organized very well orchestrated defense. During many years of civil war some parties tryed to enter Armenian sectors or pull Armenian community into war. Turkey for sure had its hands in there. But unlike now, our cohesion and organization did not waver . Our community stayed above the war. Even Soviet Armenia sent money and secret shipments of arms tru church channels with orders of blessed Vazgen vehapar. What happened? Few plain loads of noodles is a joke. Where is our unity? Just for kesab some people should be nailed to the wall in diaspora and at home. It is true that Lebanese community in 70's was more than half million in 4 million country compared just to 80000 in 25 mill one. But if not defendable then those areas in Syria should have been evacuated long ago with only a skeletone watch left. The idea is to not give the Turks or other enemies an opportunity of a weak target that could be used against us.

[Haykakan]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

In 70's and early 80's community in Lebanon organized very well orchestrated defense. During many years of civil war some parties tryed to enter Armenian sectors or pull Armenian community into war. Turkey for sure had its hands in there. But unlike now, our cohesion and organization did not waver . Our community stayed above the war. Even Soviet Armenia sent money and secret shipments of arms tru church channels with orders of blessed Vazgen vehapar. What happened? Few plain loads of noodles is a joke. Where is our unity? Just for kesab some people should be nailed to the wall in diaspora and at home. It is true that Lebanese community in 70's was more than half million in 4 million country compared just to 80000 in 25 mill one. But if not defendable then those areas in Syria should have been evacuated long ago with only a skeletone watch left. The idea is to not give the Turks or other enemies an opportunity of a weak target that could be used against us.

This kind of goes back to my point of building a homeland we will all want to live in. It is impossible to protect all of these scattered communities. A nation with a strong government can protect its citizens far better. For all of those who do not like the idea of a strong government feast your eyes on our weakling/ambivalent diaspora which is being cut down one little piece at a time.

[Artashes]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

This kind of goes back to my point of building a homeland we will all want to live in. It is impossible to protect all of these scattered communities. A nation with a strong government can protect its citizens far better. For all of those who do not like the idea of a strong government feast your eyes on our weakling/ambivalent diaspora which is being cut down one little piece at a time.

---- impossible to protect "all" ... ----
Not all are at jepordy.
It's not impossible.
It's incumbent.
Some were scattered
Some remained
All share the horror
And it's aftermath
It is our responsibility
Those are our people

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

This kind of goes back to my point of building a homeland we will all want to live in. It is impossible to protect all of these scattered communities. A nation with a strong government can protect its citizens far better. For all of those who do not like the idea of a strong government feast your eyes on our weakling/ambivalent diaspora which is being cut down one little piece at a time.

Or maybe your corrupt president and his government of criminals needs a regular influx of refugees to replace the hundreds of thousands who have fled Armenia for a better life abroad thanks to the lamentable failings of the idiots you support. But where is he going to get the supply from next, once Syria is emptied? Iraq is gone, empty of Armenians, so no more will come from there. Beirut maybe? I guess he will be gambling on disaster striking Lebanon next, as well as his usual gambling activities. Not for nothing does UNESCO consider Western Armenian one generation away from extinction. I guess that's actually good news to Haykakan: only one language = increased Armenian "unity", getting rid of those inconvenient left-over diasporas with their own histories and identities = increased Armenian "unity".

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

With Islamic extremists active for 2 years and not very far away it is still a valid question why local Armenians didn't arm themselves instead of waiting for the Syrian army to defend them

Turkey is threatening to send in its troops to protect the grave of some long dead Ottoman sultan if any Islamists dare try to destroy it. Yet the genocide monument in Deir Zor was looted and desecrated without even a word of protest from Armenia (in fact the Armenian Church actually attempted to hush up news of the event).

[TomServo]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Or maybe your corrupt president and his government of criminals needs a regular influx of refugees to replace the hundreds of thousands who have fled Armenia for a better life abroad thanks to the lamentable failings of the idiots you support. But where is he going to get the supply from next, once Syria is emptied? Iraq is gone, empty of Armenians, so no more will come from there. Beirut maybe? I guess he will be gambling on disaster striking Lebanon next, as well as his usual gambling activities. Not for nothing does UNESCO consider Western Armenian one generation away from extinction. I guess that's actually good news to Haykakan: only one language = increased Armenian "unity", getting rid of those inconvenient left-over diasporas with their own histories and identities = increased Armenian "unity".

Exactly.

They've long treated the diaspora as an object of scorn so most don't buy this unity silliness anyway (and still others are only recently opening their eyes to the preponderance of Haykakan-types in the republic and now, unfortunately, abroad -- at least before they were all confined to the Soviet republic they loved so much). The "Ministry of the Diaspora" is seen as a huge joke.

[Hakob]

Re: Bashar al-Assad, Syria and the Armenian people

Exactly.

They've long treated the diaspora as an object of scorn so most don't buy this unity silliness anyway (and still others are only recently opening their eyes to the preponderance of Haykakan-types in the republic and now, unfortunately, abroad -- at least before they were all confined to the Soviet republic they loved so much). The "Ministry of the Diaspora" is seen as a huge joke.

Since the early soviet times, Armenian govt and also big portion of population have looked at diaspora as foreigners. Entities only worth remembering at milking time. It is innumarable the values invested by diasporans or Akhbar's in Armenia's history since after the genocide. Population growth, arts crafts, science. But the return cannot be called anything but joke towards idea of Armenian unity. For Hayastantsis Akhbars are weak, "stupid"(mainly because of being more cyvilised and gentle) but loaded people allways to be taken advantage of.
The only diffrence in this behavior I see with Artsakh Armenians. That maybe because they were considered diaspora themselfs not too long ago.