Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I see you are just the same as the Turks, denying what your people did in the past, pretending everything is "good" and the minorities whom you have exterminated, oppressed, raped and killed, are feeling "perfect" under Kurdish control. What's the difference between you and the genocide-denying Turks.

The Iraqi president ordered the massacres. Besides that is in the past, today thousands of Christians from Arab Iraq are fleeing to Kurdistan and receiving housing and other financial support, as I stated before they get all the rights:

1. Language and ethnic group recognised, they are therefore not labeled as Kurds.
- In Turkey, no one other than Turks are recognised, therefore everyone is a Turk.

2. State funded schools that teach in their native language first, then Kurdish.
- In turkey, everyone is forced to learn Turkish regardless of the ethnicity of the group.

3. Equal representation in parliament according to their population % i.e. 11 reserved seats for minorities.
- In turkey they have a 10% threshold and label any opposition part from different ethnicity as 'terrorists' and shut down the party, and eventually support for the party fades away as it gets banned anyway.

4. Government recognizes all the religions therefore any religion can go to the religion and culture ministry and ask for funding, which is why so many churches have been built in Kurdistan.
- In turkey most religions are oppressed.

How are we like the Turks?

[kurdman]

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Israel relies on PKK to destabilize situation in Turkey – Russian expert

14:16 • 11.06.11



Israel has intensified collaboration with the Kurdistan Labor Party (PKK) in an attempt to destabilize the situation in Turkey, a Russian expert has said.

In an article published in the Russian Nezavisimaya Gazeta, Anna Glazova from the Russian Institute of Strategic Research says PKK was particularly active in March.

Citing her article, the Turkish news agency Cihan referred to the Kurdish rebels' armed attack against the motorcade serving Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The Russian expert claimed that the foreign powers rely on the Kurdish factor to exert pressures upon Ankara, with the United States and Israel acitvely backing such efforts.

The author believes Israel wishes to see other states and ethnic groups in the Middle East and its collaboration with Kurds is targeted at such efforts.

Speaking of the upcoming parliamentary election in Turkey, she further notes that the prime minister-led Justice and Development party has most chances to win. The Russian analyst believes that the ruling party's victory would pave way for the settlement of the Kurdish issue.

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2011/06/11/pkk-israel/

Things like that will only worsen the Kurdish issue, becuase we need support from inside the Islamic word.. i.e. our neighbors and not Israel, don't listen to all the propaganda... if anything Israel helped Turkey against the PKK by supplying them with weapons (unmanned drones) and intelligence.

[bell-the-cat]

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It would be a start if Kurds were to admit their past crimes and, realising the obscenity that lies behind the name "Kurdistan", chose a different name for their emerging country.

Alevi Zaza in Turkey call their lands Zazaistan.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Alevi Zaza in Turkey call their lands Zazaistan.

Only a small minority...

[kurdman]

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Kurdish politicians assert the necessity of a general meeting

Finally!

The meeting may take place by the end of the year

Kurdish parties hope to join together to form a consensus of what the Kurdish people want as the region goes through drastic changes. Political figures enthusiastically proposed a meeting to gather Kurds from Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria by the end of the year.

Efforts for the nationwide General Conference of Kurds intensified following a visit by Kurdish politicians from Turkey on May 25 in Erbil with Iraqi Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani and other top officials. Rumors of this type of meeting have been circulating for the past two years, but parties are pushing for a meeting this year.

Plans for a meeting mounted as Kurds in Turkey compete in the country' parliamentary elections on June 12. Recently, activities of pro-Kurdish parties in Turkey have moved into a new phase, especially as the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), led by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, launched the opening for a change that aims to solve the Kurdish question. Erdogan, in a recent visit to Erbil, told President Barzani that it is no longer possible to deny the existence of Kurds.


Change is on the way for Kurds in the Syrian part of Kurdistan, where demonstrations have continued for the past three months. For the first time, the Syrian government will grant citizenship to Kurds and has called Kurdish party representatives for talks.

In Iraq, the Kurds enjoy an incomplete federal autonomy, still with controversial territory questions, in addition to the disputed oil-rich Kirkuk province. Meanwhile, Iran is still the hardest area for political activities; there is no pro-Kurdish party in the country and political activists face harsh punishment.

Until now, Kurds have lacked a roadmap to unify their efforts for demanding their national rights; and Kurdish parties from all four countries have had sporadic relations.

"This conference is a national must," said Arif Rushdi, a leader in Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. "The importance of this meeting comes as the entire Middle East goes through change."

A committee has reportedly been formed to prepare for holding the meeting, which is expected to be in Erbil. The committee membership was not announced.

For Kurds to produce decrees amid current changes in their country, they "need to be supported by major international powers," said Salahaddin Muhtadi, a notable Kurdish politician from Iran. He believes all Kurds must work to redefine their nation and how to do so in the framework of Middle East politics. According to Muhtadi, the next 10 years will be the "era of solving the Kurdish question," and planning a unified roadmap must be addressed at the conference.

Former leader of the Iranian Kurdistan Democratic party Abdullah Hassanzadeh hails Barzani's initiatives, saying it is a step toward achieving a longtime desire of all Kurdish parties. He said the decision to invite Turkey's banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) to the conference was a "positive" one. PKK "is the largest Kurdish party from the largest part of Kurdistan and excluding it from the national conference is not possible."

Every Kurdish party is impatiently waiting for this historic event to take place.

http://www.kurdishglobe.net/display-article.html?id=FC0A98F6A0EB080A6C4B90F3D300390E

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

the decision to invite Turkey's banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) to the conference was a "positive" one. PKK "is the largest Kurdish party from the largest part of Kurdistan and excluding it from the national conference is not possible."

Very nice!!! sticking it to the Turks, I like it!

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Things like that will only worsen the Kurdish issue, becuase we need support from inside the Islamic word.. i.e. our neighbors and not Israel, don't listen to all the propaganda... if anything Israel helped Turkey against the PKK by supplying them with weapons (unmanned drones) and intelligence.

You are wrong Kurdman. Who inside the Islamic world are you setting your hopes on for getting help from? Would that be "Muslim" Turkey, Islamic Iran, or Syria? O, right, those are the very "Muslim" countries at the forefront of suppressing Kurds. The reality is that "Islamic" forces are behind the policy aimed at squeezing, suffocating, and destroying the Kurds hopes for statehood. Religion has noting to do here. Just look at how the Russians slap the Polish around, despite them being Christian, look at what they did to the filthy backstabbing Georgians.

Turkey is becoming increasingly worrisome for Israel and the US. It now appears that Israel/US have given up on Turkey, it is drifting further and further away. Israel is now looking to the Kurds as allies, and with a state in the region of their own, that will serve as a base also to keep an eye on anti-Kurdish Iran. I am very happy about these developments. Anything that weakens the positions of Turkey is in Armenia's interests.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

You are wrong Kurdman. Who inside the Islamic world are you setting your hopes on for getting help from? Would that be "Muslim" Turkey, Islamic Iran, or Syria? O, right, those are the very "Muslim" countries at the forefront of suppressing Kurds. The reality is that "Islamic" forces are behind the policy aimed at squeezing, suffocating, and destroying the Kurds hopes for statehood. Religion has noting to do here. Just look at how the Russians slap the Polish around, despite them being Christian, look at what they did to the filthy backstabbing Georgians.

Turkey is becoming increasingly worrisome for Israel and the US. It now appears that Israel/US have given up on Turkey, it is drifting further and further away. Israel is now looking to the Kurds as allies, and with a state in the region of their own, that will serve as a base also to keep an eye on anti-Kurdish Iran. I am very happy about these developments. Anything that weakens the positions of Turkey is in Armenia's interests.

One of the first rules of politics: Public opinion matters! you misunderstood me, I don't believe that secret ties with Israel or any other nation is bad, however what I am concerned about is the growing idea in the Islamic world that 'Kurdistan is the new Israel' you see if people in the Islamic world hate Kurds, then there will be more frequent terrorists attacks. Listen to an interview of President Barzani: (He is constantly asked about our ties to Israel, which is quite annoying)

In regards to Turkey, it's all BS... nothing has changed! the Turks wanted 'peace with neighbors' and 'zero problems with neighbors' and to achieve that the Turks pretended to be more Islamic and did some stunts were they sent a flotilla and what not, and what are the results? Turkey is loved in the Islamic world, and Turkish trade is booming, while Israeli-Turkish trade is at all time high!

Turkey-Israel trade volume rises by 135 pct under AKP government (http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/finance/10898837.asp)

Israel-Turkey trade on the rise (http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=215089)

The Turks have not changed their policy at all, but they understand that to have ties with other states in the Islamic world you need to portray yourself as an enemy of the west and Israel, I mean look at saddam, the dog murdered thousands of Muslims, and yet he is still loved in the Islamic world, and why? becuase he stood up to America, and that is why I said that news of that sort is not to our benefit, not even one bit.

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Kurdman, what do you think? one of our Yezdi Brothers, very popular in Armenia:

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Sounds cool

I'm sure you'll recognise this song