Regional geopolitics

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Second, are the Russians and Turks cooperating together? Are they allied in any way about Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, ISIS, Georgia, Chechnya, gas oil lines in Caucasus, Russia's problems with NATO and west?

It's supposed to be a joke??

[Hakob]

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Good posts there Hakob! Slave mentality should never be confused with rational pragmatism. Only by making rational decisions based on the best information available can we feel good about ourselves and our future.

Thanks Haykakan.
I just get very frustrated that the word slave has become a big circulating hit by every anti Russian or pretend to be opposition in Armenia.
When there is corruption, instead of fighting it and unifying people around, "that's because you're slave".
When there is an alarming news from Moscow's actions ( whom we know well), that's because you are slaves.
When there is a dead solder on frontline, you are slaves.
When there is mistake made by government, you are slaves.
When there is Surik or his son doing next banditry, you are slaves.
For emigration problems, you are slaves.
And who is calling people that? Slaves of ideology.
Enough is enough... None of this slave callers can lead a 10 men group in the streets even. All they can do is grab their banners and jump in the middle of angry, protesting crowds and then call themselfs leaders. Paper tigers....
The ones, who screwed up the country on their time call people slaves.
The ones that scream slaves put their tails between their legs and disappear as soon as oligarchs (the real slaverers) appear.
The ones that scream "slaves" are slaves of their hanflers from abroad.
They cannot face the real issues without exaggeration, with devotion and self sacrifice. Without spreading panic for easy pickings.
Talking about Armenian problems they are barren of bearing any fruits that can feed, strengthen, give hope and future to our people.
They know only scare tactics, but nothing that will pull the masses from holes.
They will only react to what's happening and say "I told you so". Unable even to make a decent mistake.
They will never lead by example, but are quick to seize opportunities.
They are not leaders, but crap along with their ideals.

[Hakob]

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The last protests, the "electric Yerevan" allmost shook Armenia into dismantling. But then Paruir Hayrikian appeared with his euro Union flags. Then other "traditional leaders of opposition started fight to grab attention. Backdoors bickering and splitting of public into different groups according ideals and ideologies began. Then a group "no to plunder" split (by intense efforts of opposition apparatchiks and government insiders). Then protests died down. People's fight was killed by ideologists. Our Saviours.
A dog will bark and bite only by owners orders.
That boy, Sanasarian allmost died of heart attack.

You see? If their handlers will so order, those apparatchiks will kill any effort that comes from people in public benefit.
There is no opposition in Armenia.
What we got now is bunch of opportunists, that will set back public for many years.
They are not there to Serve Armenian public.
Who is going to lead. lragir? Loooool

[Armynia]

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Even with 50% isolation turkey can finish us off.

So what are you saying by this, Even when Turkey attacks Armenia you will still seating there and post or you would go to fight?

So what are saying by this, Even with one hand turkey can finish us off and there is nothing you and me as an men can do about it?

So what are saying by this, we came this far we kicked Turkish ass in Sardarapat and then libereted Artsakh and now we have to cry that turkey may finish us off because it has more Air power and troops?

[Haykakan]

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So what are you saying by this, Even when Turkey attacks Armenia you will still seating there and post or you would go to fight?

So what are saying by this, Even with one hand turkey can finish us off and there is nothing you and me as an men can do about it?

So what are saying by this, we came this far we kicked Turkish ass in Sardarapat and then libereted Artsakh and now we have to cry that turkey may finish us off because it has more Air power and troops?

Man like where did you get such ideas? Some people are so ridiculous. Hakob said nothing along those lines at all so why you putting words in his mouth?

[Hakob]

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So what are you saying by this, Even when Turkey attacks Armenia you will still seating there and post or you would go to fight?

So what are saying by this, Even with one hand turkey can finish us off and there is nothing you and me as an men can do about it?

So what are saying by this, we came this far we kicked Turkish ass in Sardarapat and then libereted Artsakh and now we have to cry that turkey may finish us off because it has more Air power and troops?

What I am saying is if US and Europe isolate turkey from 50% of everything, including money, political environment, trade, support, NATO armaments, supplies, politics, still there would be enough power in it to outnumber us 35-40 to one. In any military equation that is enough to wipe you out no matter how good and hard you fight. But do you see anybody isolating turkey? So mouradians assertions that supposedly US and Europe are isolating turkey is hot air, to fool you and me into believing in any help or something from them. That is a part of plot to convince us to destroy our relations with Russia.
No matter how hard it is to accept, turkey is several tens of times more powerful then Armenia. And for that instead of killing messenger(me) or calling him slave minded, you should think hard of how to prevent this kind of situation with turkey. We don't need second sardarabad. We have to be carefull not to stand against turkey alone.
What I am saying is nothing is holding turkey at bay as effective as our military Aliance with Russia. Nobody smart will gamble with kicking Russians out and hoping that if turkey envades, we fight good and we will be victors. Or US or Europe will interveene in our behalf. War is a gamble. We don't have the luxury in this case.
We should be very careful with Turks and Russians too. And especially with western powers.
I am sure we can kick Azeri ass. But it is not the same as Turkish.
Turkey has the second biggest army in NATO. Over 750000. We have just 60000.
We don't need false promises and false hopes. Pro Europe people should stop putting this propaganda about freedom and prosperity with Europe.
We got Russia, good or bad, and because of Russian base, turkey is very hardly possible to invade.
Don't call anybody that calls al this above slave minded, this is reality.

[Hakob]

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by the way I also think that one day we will kick Turkish ass. But it will be at the moment that turkey is falling because of internal and external pressures. That will be our opportunity.
But meanwhile we have to be carefull not to give Turks that kind of opportunity on us. Not to be powerless and without protective umbrella.
Every country on this earth goes with this rules.

[Armynia]

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What I am saying is if US and Europe isolate turkey from 50% of everything, including money, political environment, trade, support, NATO armaments, supplies, politics, still there would be enough power in it to outnumber us 35-40 to one. In any military equation that is enough to wipe you out no matter how good and hard you fight. But do you see anybody isolating turkey? So mouradians assertions that supposedly US and Europe are isolating turkey is hot air, to fool you and me into believing in any help or something from them. That is a part of plot to convince us to destroy our relations with Russia.
No matter how hard it is to accept, turkey is several tens of times more powerful then Armenia. And for that instead of killing messenger(me) or calling him slave minded, you should think hard of how to prevent this kind of situation with turkey. We don't need second sardarabad. We have to be carefull not to stand against turkey alone.
What I am saying is nothing is holding turkey at bay as effective as our military Aliance with Russia. Nobody smart will gamble with kicking Russians out and hoping that if turkey envades, we fight good and we will be victors. Or US or Europe will interveene in our behalf. War is a gamble. We don't have the luxury in this case.
We should be very careful with Turks and Russians too. And especially with western powers.
I am sure we can kick Azeri ass. But it is not the same as Turkish.
Turkey has the second biggest army in NATO. Over 750000. We have just 60000.
We don't need false promises and false hopes. Pro Europe people should stop putting this propaganda about freedom and prosperity with Europe.
We got Russia, good or bad, and because of Russian base, turkey is very hardly possible to invade.
Don't call anybody that calls al this above slave minded, this is reality.


by the way I also think that one day we will kick Turkish ass. But it will be at the moment that turkey is falling because of internal and external pressures. That will be our opportunity.
But meanwhile we have to be carefull not to give Turks that kind of opportunity on us. Not to be powerless and without protective umbrella.
Every country on this earth goes with this rules.

Good Job!

Hakob, here are the most famous old sayings of ancient Chinese general Sun Tzu, that fits into Armenia's situation.


Sun Tzu:

1. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.


2. He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.


3. Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack


4. If you are far from the enemy, make him believe you are near.

[londontsi]

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Good Job!

Hakob, here are the most famous old sayings of ancient Chinese general Sun Tzu, that fits into Armenia's situation.


Sun Tzu:

1. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.


2. He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.


3. Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack


4. If you are far from the enemy, make him believe you are near.

I think the writings of Sun Tzu are fantastic
His ideas can captivate you, with his wisdom, logic, presented possibilities and ultimately its motivational spirit that it can instil in you.
However unless you see yourself solving our military challenges on a horseback with your sword and shield they quickly become irrelevant.

Every applicable idea from the book is already in the mind-set every military strategist.
To that effect your second point actually addresses that.

As a footnote, referring to Sun Tzu during a serious discussion on military matters is as fruitful as referring to Kama Sutra while discussing relationships.

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[Haykakan]

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I think the writings of Sun Tzu are fantastic
His ideas can captivate you, with his wisdom, logic, presented possibilities and ultimately its motivational spirit that it can instil in you.
However unless you see yourself solving our military challenges on a horseback with your sword and shield they quickly become irrelevant.

Every applicable idea from the book is already in the mind-set every military strategist.
To that effect your second point actually addresses that.

As a footnote, referring to Sun Tzu during a serious discussion on military matters is as fruitful as referring to Kama Sutra while discussing relationships.

.

I disagree with your conclusion regarding the usefulness today. His teachings have been adapted to the fields of business, sports, international relations...if there is competition involved these teachings apply. Yes in military all countries do or should study his teachings but that does not make them irrelevant. There are different ways of applying his teachings which bring limitless possibilities and unpredictability.