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  • Re: Regional geopolitics

    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
    So??
    What are you arguing about?
    Nothing you said contradict what I said, and is all question of chronology.

    Erratum: In Brest Litovsk, Russia was not only giving Western Armenia conquered during the war, but It was also Giving Kars Ardahan, that were not war conquests, but parts of Eastern Armenia incorporated in the Russian Empire in XIX..., plus, it gave away Igdir, that Previously was NOT part of the Ottoman Empire, and was conquered from Persia...

    French Treason in Kilikia is of course unexcusable, but it is also true, that it is the consequence of the russian bolshevik alliance with Kemal.
    Same as the loss and non intervention of entente navy in Zmurnya....

    The core of the shift, in Turkey's fate was:
    1- The fact that some turkish officers and valis, mostly the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide, and thus the benefactors of the huge theft it resulted in, had too much to loose from a defeated turkish reality, and were ready to fight in a desperate run, much as the Nazi SS regiments in a falling Reich in April 45. They rallied around Mustafa Kemal. This fundamental reality is the core of the turkish denial since then of the Genocide, since the founders of modern turkey are the same war criminals.
    2- The fact that bolshevik Russia not only abandoned huge sections of its previous territory in Brest Litovsk, but it shifted its side and shifted alliance by becoming active partner of that Kemalists, by helping financially and militarily the same turkish rebellion. Arms shipment, reverse stabbing of Armenian Republic by military invasion from the North and East , Russian bolshevik XI army... and sabotage from within by Armenian Bolsheviks....

    So without the russian help, the probability Kemal would succeed was much smaller, if not nill.
    All the resulting shift of situations are the result of not only Kemalist victories, but by the specter of a bolshevik arrival on the mediterranean shores...

    Turks are good diplomats.
    The same tactic threat, this time with an alliance with Hitler gave them the Alexandrette Sanjak in 1939.
    So France selled Kilikia twice.
    In 1921-22, and yet again in 1939.

    Nevertheless, facts remain facts.
    Russia saved modern Turkey in 1918-1921.
    Russia is responsible of our actual fate, if not as much, then slightly after Turkey, but surely more than the Kurds, and the rest of allied entente nations....

    This said, we will learn nothing if we do not accept our guilt.
    Our guilt, is beleiving others, and beleiving that some other nation would risk the live of its sons for our well being.
    Things like that rarely happen.
    And if they do, never with Russia, Britain, Persia or France...
    We must have remained united against all odds, refused slave mentality/ russophilia, at the core of armenian bolshevik treason, and any other X-philias, even if they were much less present and harmful...

    There were objective reasons, first, the absence of an elite, educated and well informed class,..... huge refugee problems, starvation..... nevertheless, we had at our disposal huge arms quantities in Kars and Karin fortresses, we should have organised and fought for ourselves, against all odds.
    No matter the excuses, and excuses there were a lot, we failed, because we beleived someone else would help us.

    We did fight a couple of times hopelessly, out of despair, and it saved our day.
    Sardarabat, ...., but yet again in Zankezur, where Njdeh did fight against all odds, against all expectations, firing on russian soldiers and their armenian servants bolsheviks..

    Just same way, we faught the Artsakh war against all odds, and won, when we learned to fire on russian soldiers too....
    No one helped us, (minor details put aside, and surely not russian), no major help, from ANY power.
    Contrary, virtually everybody helped the enemy.
    Yet we won, because we decided we will fight and die if necessary, but not wait others helping hand.

    So no need to distort history, even if the lessons it teaches us are cruel and disturbing for our nowdays peace of mind.
    That's not to say, we do not need to find alliances.
    We of course do, and much more than any other nation. (let us beggin by having an Armebian foreign misnister??).
    But as history and basics of diplomacy teach, no alliance are eternal.....
    Our only difference, is that we have the unluck of an eternal enemy.

    Russia was acting like an enemy in 91-92 (Goltzo, Shahumian, Martakert)
    Russia did act an enemy in 2008, just after 888, with the Medvedev plan.
    Russia is acting like an enemy today, by arming to the teeth our enemy.
    The US was acting as an enemy in the 92, by the Goble plan.
    The US was acting like an enemy in 2001, Key West...

    Yet same Russia acted as an ally, when giving us some tactical advance in 1996, giving us time to breath.
    Yet same US acted as an ally by blocking Medvedev plan, and is still doing same today.... not out of our interests. Out of their interests, of course.

    Tomorrow, when Russia will be in deep xxxx, they may as well act as allies...
    Tomorrow the US may well act as an enemy, if we are considered as being part of Russia....

    -------

    NB: I still wait your explanation on US arms supplies to enemies of Israel. Remember??
    That is why I am urging you not to post one sided articles from lragir etc... The foreign funded media. Not to become propagandist of unproven twisted news or forecasts. Not to engage in plots to weaken or destroy our government in color revolution schemes funded from abroad.
    Not to direct our people of some false promises from elsewhere.
    We, at this moment are allies with Russia by an existential necessity. Do not work in s plot convincing our people that there is a false choice out there, until there will be viable and safer one.
    This thing you should keep until there is a fundamental change from west. Not imagined containment a and supposed "saving our ass".
    When there will be that change, then, after checking all the facts, allow or become the announcer of "sensational" news or commentaries.
    Do not become pert of plot in creating despair and dissatisfaction in our people against their own government( not that government does not deserve it, I the people that don' need it).
    Engage in constructive opposition building. Fight against influence from anybody. Etc...
    Last edited by Hakob; 09-20-2015, 01:41 PM.

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    • Re: Regional geopolitics

      Originally posted by Hakob View Post
      That is why I am urging you not to post one sided articles from lragir etc... The foreign funded media. Not to become propagandist of unproven twisted news or forecasts. Not to engage in plots to weaken or destroy our government in color revolution schemes funded from abroad.
      Not to direct our people of some false promises from elsewhere.
      We, at this moment are allies with Russia by an existential necessity. Do not work in s plot convincing our people that there is a false choice out there, until there will be viable and safer one.
      This thing you should keep until there is a fundamental change from west. Not imagined containment a and supposed "saving our ass".
      When there will be that change, then, after checking all the facts, allow or become the announcer of "sensational" news or commentaries.
      Do not become pert of plot in creating despair and dissatisfaction in our people against their own government( not that government does not deserve it, I the people that don' need it).
      Engage in constructive opposition building. Fight against influence from anybody. Etc...
      There are more than enough russian propaganda and slave sussophilia propagators.
      So I do not see the necessity to add more.
      Russia acts like an enemy today, not an ally.

      Not calling a cat a cat, is not a solution.

      Unfortunately, no other option left, due to russian behavior, to open eyes of the people, and end of russophilia.
      Blind Russophilia lasting last 200 years = reason of loss of 95% of our country.
      Shake of blind russophilia = liberation of 3%....
      Not enough, yet basic to survival.

      The spector of loosing Armianskaya Oblast is the last argument left.
      Unfortunately.
      Yet again, I do not see any other options left.

      If you see an other option, beggin by finding an option to send a russian aparatchik of the worst intellectual level, like Mr Nalbantov, to Maskwa.

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      • Re: Regional geopolitics

        Yes, I see other option left.
        Building of real powerful, grass roots, unified and funded only internally opposition, that is not fighting for pro Europe or pro Russia agendas, but for rebuilding and cleaning Armenia citizen by ziti zen. Stone by stone.
        An opposition that will generate next wave of patriotism and genuine survivalist Philosophy for next stage of our history.
        Unify all the diaspora and factions.
        Instead of fighting Russophilia or phobia which I don't think are the root cause of our problems, but the Simpsons of our own incomplete national idealism and Idealism.
        List goes on and on...

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        • Re: Regional geopolitics

          Originally posted by Hakob View Post
          Yes, I see other option left.
          Building of real powerful, grass roots, unified and funded only internally opposition, that is not fighting for pro Europe or pro Russia agendas, but for rebuilding and cleaning Armenia citizen by ziti zen. Stone by stone.
          An opposition that will generate next wave of patriotism and genuine survivalist Philosophy for next stage of our history.
          Unify all the diaspora and factions.
          Instead of fighting Russophilia or phobia which I don't think are the root cause of our problems, but the Simpsons of our own incomplete national idealism and Idealism.
          List goes on and on...
          And where is that opposition????

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          • Re: Regional geopolitics

            Originally posted by Hakob View Post
            Yes, I see /// on...
            My Dear, you are of course right on the need of a National opposition.
            In our case, this internal question is directly related by foreign affairs, since all the internal Armenian political spheres, opostion or regime are directly playing in the hands of the russian KGB/FSB...
            Nevertheless, it still remains an internal affair.
            It's a must, but yet an internal affair, that does not change the geopolitical situation.

            Imagine you have the best of an opposition, even a regime change by only internal resources.
            yet, the day N2, it will have to deal with same geopolitics.

            So what you say is capital, related, yet an other problem.

            Consequeces of russophilia will still be there, and asking to keep the omerta going on for the last 200 years, is not a solution to our geopolitical situation.
            More people are educated, and wary of real factors, better will it be.
            Even if we have a good oposition today, and even if ut does succeed tomorrow to get rid of Sejik and his clan, after tomorrow we will need an other oposition to that best of the best national power, as a national opposition....

            Asking to keep the omerta does not make sense.

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            • Re: Regional geopolitics

              Everybody congratulations for the day of Armenia's independence...
              Long live Armenia.

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              • Re: Regional geopolitics

                Syria crisis: US and Russian defence ministers hold talks
                BBC

                US and Russian defence ministers have held their first talks in more than a year, to discuss the conflict in Syria.
                The phone call follows signs that Moscow is taking a more active role in the conflict, and American concern over the extent of the plans.
                Meanwhile, four Russian fighter jets have arrived at an airfield near the Syrian city of Latakia, the US said.
                The US and Russia have disagreed sharply on Syria's bloody civil war and the role of President Bashar al-Assad.
                While Moscow has backed the Syrian government, the US sees the removal of President Assad as essential to resolving the conflict.

                'Common ground'

                Secretary of Defence Ashton Carter discussed with Russia's Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu how their two sides could avoid accidentally clashing on the ground, the Pentagon said.
                Russian state media said the talks proved the sides had common ground.

                The US has been alarmed about reports of a Russian military build-up in Syria, at a time when the Assad government has been losing ground to rebels.
                The deployment of four jets at Latakia boosts Russia's military presence, which already includes helicopter gunships, artillery and as many as 500 Russian naval infantry forces, US officials said on Friday.
                Both Russia and the US are concerned about the rise of the Islamic State militant group, which now controls parts of northern Syria.


                The growing Russian military presence in Syria, not least the deployment of surface-to-air missiles to defend the airfield at Latakia, means that Washington and Moscow have a lot to talk about.
                The phone call between Mr Carter and Mr Shoigu is only the first step.
                The US and a number of its allies are flying strike missions into Syrian air space and they do not want to have any misunderstandings with Russia's forces there.
                The Americans also want to get a clearer idea as to the purpose of the Russian presence in Syria.
                Is this simply to secure a bridgehead to re-supply Mr Assad? Or does it herald a Russian intervention in the fighting?
                Military talks between Moscow and Washington could also facilitate a better understanding on the diplomatic front with Syria likely to be a prominent issue in the crucial contacts on the margins of the UN General Assembly later this month.

                News of the phone call between Mr Carter and Mr Shoigu emerged shortly after Secretary of State John Kerry said the US hoped military-to-military conversations would take place "very shortly".
                The defence chiefs discussed areas where "perspectives overlap and areas of divergence," the Pentagon statement said, describing the talks as "constructive".
                In the 50-minute conversation, Mr Shoigu told Mr Carter that Russian activities in Syria were "defensive in nature," a US official told Reuters.

                The two sides also agreed to further talks, reopening formal contact after relations were badly strained by Russian action last year in Ukraine.
                The last conversation between the US defence chief and his Russian counterpart was last August when Mr Carter's predecessor Chuck Hagel held the office.
                Meanwhile, Moscow has said that any request from Syria to send troops would be "discussed and considered".
                A Russian human rights body said it has been contacted by Russian soldiers who fear being sent to fight in Syria.
                Any secret deployment of troops to Syria would be illegal, said Sergei Krivenko of the Russian Human Rights Council.

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                • Re: Regional geopolitics

                  Netanyahu takes 12 officers to his Moscow summit with Putin
                  DEBKa
                  September 21, 2015


                  DEBKAfile reports that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu will be attended by twelve military officers when he meets President Vladimir Putin at the presidential dacha outside Moscow later Monday. The executive plane is to carry, along with the prime minister, IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gady Eisenkot, Military Intelligence Chief Maj. Gen. Hertzi Halevy and another 9 officers, each a specialist in one of the military aspects of the Syrian conflict. It will be a lightening trip. Straight after the meeting with Putin at midday, the prime minister and party are due to fly home.

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                    Netanyahu in quick summit with Putin under cloud of Russian S-300 anti-air missiles for Syria
                    Debka


                    On Saturday, Sept. 19, just two days before Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the presidential dacha outside Moscow, troops at the Russian base outside the coastal Syrian city of Latakia were seen preparing to deploy batteries of advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missiles. Their presence in Syria will raise major questions, one of which is this: against which air power are they deployed, given the fact that the Islamic State has no air force.

                    Their deployment therefore poses troubling ramifications for the ongoing Syrian civil war as well as the region as a whole. For Israel, the placement of S-300 missiles in Syria is problematic for three reasons:
                    1. They seriously reduce the Israeli Air Force’s freedom of action in Lebanese and Syrian airspace.
                    2. Following a spate of contradictory and muddled statements about Moscow’s intentions to withhold the S-300s from Syria and Iran – an apparent smoke screen -, it turns out that they are coming to Syria after all.
                    3. The Russians say they are building up military strength in Syria to fight ISIS. But neither ISIS nor any other regional power poses an air threat to the Russian deployment. So the state-of-the-art air defense missile delivered to Syria, to which Iran too has access, does pose a threat to Israel’s security.

                    Its deployment in Syria appears to signal that Putin has a long game for his military buildup in Syria - far-reaching that it would appear.

                    Each day brings news of more Russian forces arriving in Syria. At first, reports said several hundred marines were being deployed, but now preparations are being made for 2,000 of them.
                    A similar process is occurring with the deployment of anti-aircraft missiles. Initially, reports said that Moscow was providing Syria with the SA-22, known as the Pantsir-S1, but those missiles never arrived. Now, it appears that the S-300 is to be deployed instead.

                    The arrival of four advanced multi-role Sukhoi 30SM (Flanker) tactical jets in Latakia on Sept. 18 has also raised eyebrows. It came just hours after US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter met with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in an effort to prevent collisions between US and Russian forces operating in Syria. As those jets are intended for air-to-air combat, observers wonder which forces are to be targeted. The same question hangs over the half a dozen MiG-31 interceptors, which landed in Damascus earlier this month.

                    So what is Putin’s real game in Syria?

                    In another development that was only noticed in very few circles in the West and Israel, Iranian Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi, military advisor of Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said on ‘Friday, Sept. 18: “Russia moves in coordination with Iran in some regional issues including Syria.”

                    In other words, the US and Israel, which are attempting to coordinate their military steps with those of Russia, have already fallen behind.

                    Reports in Israel over the last few days have claimed that Putin was keen on holding the summit even more than Netanyahu, and that the Israeli Air Force had started setting up a mechanism for liaison with the Russian Air Force in order to prevent inadvertent collisions.

                    But these plans have been overtaken by events,

                    There is no doubt that Netanyahu is making a bold statement by bringing to the Kremlin meeting the IDF chief of staff Lt. Gen. Gady Eisenkot and the head of military intelligence, Maj. Gen. Hertzi Halevi. This is the first time such high-ranking military officers have participated in a meeting of the Israeli and Russian leaders.

                    DEBKAfile’s sources in Moscow report that Putin will be attended by his national security advisor, Nikolai Patrushev. This is the Russian president’s way of indicating that, for him, the talks will focus on a general assessment of the Syrian situation, whereas Israel is seeking a discussion on the military aspects of the growing Russian intervention..

                    In this context, it should be mentioned that, when the commander of Iran’s Al-Qods brigades, Gen. Qassem Soleimani, visited Moscow 10 days ago, the most senior Russian official he met was Patrushev.

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                    • Re: Regional geopolitics

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                      21.09.2015



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