Western-financed Armenian "human rights activists" (and their anti-Armenian policy)

[arakeretzig]

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Whenever an American or European mentions that "these are independent people for sure", we know that it's the contrary... look at the video in the above link. Even in two minutes you see their biasedness. Disgusting people. Lying and deception is their weapon, "March 2008, peaceful demonstrations", of course, just ignore the grenades the demonstrators were throwing and the weapons they were using. I can't even continue watching, because of disgust, knowing that Armenians are willingly for money and other stupid means, want to destroy their country. Somehow, all these disgusting propaganda war and information is sponsored by the US, and the irony is, even though they are working against Armenian interests, Armenians naively believe in their "peaceful" intentions; it's because their propaganda and media campaign is successful.

Western ambitions in Armenia is fairy tales for children as long as Russia has military base in gyumri. And that's not gonna change anytime soon. So let them bark all they want.

[Tigranakert]

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Western ambitions in Armenia is fairy tales for children as long as Russia has military base in gyumri. And that's not gonna change anytime soon. So let them bark all they want.

Never underestimate your adversary. I think they have been highly successful in demoralizing Armenians the last decade, and they almost succeeded in taking control in 2008. Armenians have been divided and dozens of Armenians have been killed as an indirect result of these political games. They just need one moment, and before you know it, it's over. I would even state that if we do not counter this phenomena now, the future (generation) of Armenia is a lost cause. Armenia will become a country which will be exploited by the imperialist West for their own interests, which will probably lead the beginning of the end of independent Armenia and we will soon become the same lost-bunch of people like the Assyrians (no country, divided in different groups, all fighting each other).

Thinking about it, Armenians have today also reached the state in which more than 90% of our energy goes into fighting each other and cleaning up each other's mess. Those few self-respecting Armenians I know (and some self-respecting Armenians who are in power in Armenia) are spending the most part of their time to convince other self-destructive Armenians not to destroy Armenia unintentionally.

[arakeretzig]

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Never underestimate your adversary. I think they have been highly successful in demoralizing Armenians the last decade, and they almost succeeded in taking control in 2008. Armenians have been divided and dozens of Armenians have been killed as an indirect result of these political games. They just need one moment, and before you know it, it's over. I would even state that if we do not counter this phenomena now, the future (generation) of Armenia is a lost cause. Armenia will become a country which will be exploited by the imperialist West for their own interests, which will probably lead the beginning of the end of independent Armenia and we will soon become the same lost-bunch of people like the Assyrians (no country, divided in different groups, all fighting each other).

Thinking about it, Armenians have today also reached the state in which more than 90% of our energy goes into fighting each other and cleaning up each other's mess. Those few self-respecting Armenians I know (and some self-respecting Armenians who are in power in Armenia) are spending the most part of their time to convince other self-destructive Armenians not to destroy Armenia unintentionally.

the average armenian don't control armenian politics. A few selected oligarchs backed by Russia do. Even if the whole population think the West is their best friend, no one can do xxxx about it. Revolution my ass. Stop being so paranoid.

[Tigranakert]

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the average armenian don't control armenian politics. A few selected oligarchs backed by Russia do. Even if the whole population think the West is their best friend, no one can do xxxx about it. Revolution my ass. Stop being so paranoid.

It's an irony making such a statement, knowing that for the past couple of years numerous countries have been conquered by the means I am stating. I am talking about Ukraine, I am talking about Georgia, I am talking about Serbia, I am talking about Armenia in 2008 and I am talking about dozens of more countries whose "masses" somehow did not have an influence.

We'll, they do. This is not an illusion, it's a fact. The negative and pessimist mentality being spread in Armenia and the information warfare will lead to the destruction of our newly-fledged nation, believe it or not. Your statement does not come as a surprise, as naivety has been one of our greatest characteristics for the last couple of centuries.

Russia does not care about who runs politics in Armenia (be it oligarchs, real nationalists, liberals, democrats, communists), they only care that the people in power remain loyal to the Russian alliance. Nation building is totally up to ourselves. And guess what, if the whole population is being brainwashed to think differently than our government, we are again xxxxed, as this will lead to confrontations, dividedness, pessmism, negativism and more emigration.

For Armenia to prosper, unity and stability is essential to work out our long-term goals. For this to be achieved, we still have great many difficulties to overcome.

[retro]

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Tigranakert

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

[Tigranakert]

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Tigranakert

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

Is this a joke? Are you asking me to provide evidence that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasus? This is hilarious, haha! Have you been living on earth the last couple of years or on the moon? We'll, I think someone here missed the coloured revolution which took place in Georgia, and someone here missed the coupe d'etat that almost took place in 2008, supported by Western media and agents (using the experiences in Ukraine, Georgia etc.).

As Armenians, we have to deal with the difficulties of our nation, and taking into account the socio-economic circumstances you speak of, this is another point which we have to overcome and which in my view can be overcome. This however does not mean that certain forces are not exploiting the situation for their own benefits, and whose actions can do far greater damage to the Republic of Armenia and it's future, than the mere socio-economic conditions can do.

This is what the topic is all about.

[Mos]

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Tigranakert

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

The involvement of the West in the coloured revolutions in several post-Soviet states is well known. Just research Soros and his financing of some of these coloured revolutions.

I don't think anybody here is being "doomsayer" - it's just being careful not to be to gullible in terms of believing the West's version of democracy and all of their influences are positive. It's also realising that the Western interests in our region involve our enemies.

[Serjik]

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This must be one of the most mentally retarded things I have read in this board. Bro, you serious?

Unless you have actual evidence, that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasian and ploting to take over Armenia. Stop whining like an old women and wallowing in self pity. As the negative and pessimistic, doomsayer mentality in Armenia (exemplified by your good self) is the result of Armenia's socio-economic circumstances and it's poltical problems with it's Turkic neighbours, not the West.

[retro]

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Is this a joke? Are you asking me to provide evidence that the West is inciting coloured revolutions in Southern Caucasus? This is hilarious, haha! Have you been living on earth the last couple of years or on the moon? We'll, I think someone here missed the coloured revolution which took place in Georgia, and someone here missed the coupe d'etat that almost took place in 2008, supported by Western media and agents (using the experiences in Ukraine, Georgia etc.).

Whilst it's certainly true that the West isn't above meddling in Russia's sphere. This is idle conjecture and what actual evidence do you have that the Wests agents are inciting some kind of a coloured revolution in Armenia?

Personally I doubt that the Wests clandestine efforts are focused, upon the Transcaucasus. As whilst it's true that Turkmenistan is a major source of natural gas and the Caspian is of strategical importance. The West has very little influence in South Caucasus and Western Asia. As whilst Georgia and Turkey are Western aligned, they are hardly Western nations. The Ukraine on the other hand is a basketcase and it is some what back in Russia's orb now anyway.

[haysip]

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here is one of the superagents behind most of the revolutions. After successful color revolutions in Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan, she moved to Armenia in 2008. So far she is failing overall but she is doing everything to mess up the country from inside.
and for the PEOPLE IN UNITED KINGDOM(retro, londontsi,). WAKE UP. STOP WATCHING BBC, FOX AND ALL THOSE BULLS*IT. OPEN YOUR EYES AND REALIZE WATS GOING ON.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_L._Yovanovitch