Armenian-Azeri encounter

[Mos]

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LA Armenians are a mess. Russian Armenians are much more successful and have better reputation.

[Tigranakert]

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do majority of armenian russians speak armenian? so far i've only seen one guy, he looked russian, had parents from Artsakh, his parents tought him. he's like a grain in the sand.

I would say, that from the Armenians living in Russia multiple generations long, the number of them not speaking Armenian is about the same (a bit less) compared to those Armenians living for multiple generations in Western countries (France, US, Greece, etc.). This only counts for the Armenians living in major cities in the North-West of Russia. For Armenians living in Southern-Russia, most of them still speak or understand a dialect of Armenian.

A big difference compared to Western countries, is that Armenians in Russia have a much closer relationship to their identity, heritage and Armenia (doesn't matter if they speak or not speak Armenian). This is partly because of the closer distance to Armenia itself, partly because of a large, successful Armenian population who live dispersed in Moscow and whose goal is not to show off their fancy cars and be jealous towards each other, as in LA, but to help each other and partly because Russia itself promotes ethnic diversity and supports Armenians keeping their Armenian identity.

[KarotheGreat]

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You never lived in the real world, and this is mere rubbish.

I repeat, an average European, be it a Dutchman, a German, or an Englishman sees and treats an Armenian just as he sees and treats a Turk, there is no difference in this. An "educated" European, (thus Dutchman / Germans etc. in universities and the higher echelons of life), also do not know what an Armenian is, what an Armenian represents, and looks the same way at an Armenian as he looks at another foreigner from Turkey, Egypt or whatever country. The only exception is France, as there is a larger Armenian community, albeit totally assimilated, as in France the encouragement to assimilate into the Western pop-culture is much greater than in Russia, where ethnic diversity is stimulated and cheered at in the higher echelons of life.

The thing is that Russians have been into contact with Armenians for a much longer time while most Europeans have never been into contact with an Armenian in their life so it is more or less normal that they don't know much about Armenians and Armenia. Most Russians I've met in my life have been very positive towards Armenians and they always start talking about this great Armenian that they have as friend or that they know. One of my best friend's dad was in Kirovakan right after the earthquake as a soldier, and he and his whole family are super positive towards Armenia and Armenians. However there are also some Europeans that do know Armenians and Armenia very well, once I met this judge that knew so much about Armenians and the Armenian genocide.

do majority of armenian russians speak armenian? so far i've only seen one guy, he looked russian, had parents from Artsakh, his parents tought him. he's like a grain in the sand.

Since Armenian is not a world language or a language that is that important it is normal that no one except Armenians speak it, the same goes for Dutch. Not many people outside of the Netherlands and Flanders speak it.

[arakeretzig]

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You never lived in the real world, and this is mere rubbish.

I repeat, an average European, be it a Dutchman, a German, or an Englishman sees and treats an Armenian just as he sees and treats a Turk, there is no difference in this. An "educated" European, (thus Dutchman / Germans etc. in universities and the higher echelons of life), also do not know what an Armenian is, what an Armenian represents, and looks the same way at an Armenian as he looks at another foreigner from Turkey, Egypt or whatever country. The only exception is France, as there is a larger Armenian community, albeit totally assimilated, as in France the encouragement to assimilate into the Western pop-culture is much greater than in Russia, where ethnic diversity is stimulated and cheered at in the higher echelons of life.

do majority of armenian russians speak armenian? so far i've only seen one guy, he looked russian, had parents from Artsakh, his parents tought him. he's like a grain in the sand.

[Tigranakert]

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You are living in a fantasy world and this is mere hubris.

You never lived in the real world, and this is mere rubbish.

I repeat, an average European, be it a Dutchman, a German, or an Englishman sees and treats an Armenian just as he sees and treats a Turk, there is no difference in this. An "educated" European, (thus Dutchman / Germans etc. in universities and the higher echelons of life), also do not know what an Armenian is, what an Armenian represents, and looks the same way at an Armenian as he looks at another foreigner from Turkey, Egypt or whatever country. The only exception is France, as there is a larger Armenian community, albeit totally assimilated, as in France the encouragement to assimilate into the Western pop-culture is much greater than in Russia, where ethnic diversity is stimulated and cheered at in the higher echelons of life.

[retro]

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Furthermore, an average European also does not see a difference between Armenians and Turks. That is how average people are. Educated Russians, Russians that do matter, Russians that do have control / power, respect Armenians, know who we are, where we come from, and what we contributed. This cannot be said of educated Europeans regarding Armenians.

You are living in a fantasy world and this is mere hubris.

[Vahram]

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"Conclusion lampdumb: you are Mr. Bullxxxx. Congratulations. "

As long as you put Elevators in the message he will understand

thanks for posting that Tigranakert glad to see that we are doing well in Russia. It is good this brotherly relations we have with them. Now if only more of us Western Armenians understood this it would be that much better.

[Mos]

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Thanks Tigranakert, you said it rather eloquently.

[Tigranakert]

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Armenians are successful in Russia - so are many Azeris! Turkish businessmen are very active in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus..but the average man in the street in Russia doesn't have an especially positive image of Armenians, most of them don't see any difference between Armenians and Azeris

I think it's useful to have the contribution of a non Armenian here, left to themselves Armenians spend too much time congratulating each other!

provoking people, if it is to wake them up and make them look at things more objectively is not a bad thing!

can you provide us a link to this percentage that you have found?

the majority of Armenians in Russia do the sorts of jobs that most Azeris, Georgians, Daghestanis, Ingush etc etc
also do

This is just a blatant lie. Shortly touching upon the Azeris, they are far less successful compared to Armenians, but this is nothing to be proud of. There are numerous very rich Azeri individuals in Russia, most of them having ties with the families in Azerbaijan controlling the oil industry.

Having said that, the amount of successful Armenians in Russia is astonishing. Armenians have well integrated into all layers of society. From businessmen, to musicians, to politicians, to scientists, to artists, they are literally everywhere.

Walking from the Kremlin, one of the most expensive hotels in Russia is the Ararat Hyatt. On the street next to it, one the most expensive streets in Moscow, you can find in the middle a huge famous Cognac shop, called “Armenia”.

Walking a bit further, you will get to Armyanski street, where you can find one of the most beautiful embassies in Moscow, namely the Armenian one.

The biggest retail chains are of an Armenian (Sergey Galitsky), most of the construction companies who build these, are under control of Armenians (Tashir). The cinemas you can find in these malls are controlled by Armenians (the largest cinema chain is in hands of an Armenian), and the largest movie company, Mosfilm, is in the hands of an Armenian (Karen Shakhnazarov).

One of the most successful independent businessmen and visionaries, Ruben Vardanian, also leads one of the most successful investment banks, Troika Dialog. He is one of the creators of one of the biggest projects currently in Russia, Skolkovo. The largest insurance company, Rossgosstrakh, is in hands of the Khachaturov brothers.

The editor-and-chief of Russia Today, and the one responsible of it's succes is Armenian (Margarita Simonyan). One of the most important industrial companies in Russia, namely that of Sukhoi, is in hands of an Armenian (Michael Pogosyan). One of the most successful je-welry companies is in hands of an Armenian (Esset xxxelry). One of the biggest “ethnic” construction projects in Moscow, is that of the Armenian Church / Business centre / Education centre / Lobby centre currently being build. Dozens of scientists, comedians, artists, politicians etc. are also of Armenian descent. I can continue for ages.

Also, on all the major universities, there are large Armenian communities, much and much larger compared to Azeri/Chechen etc. ones. Armenians are highly educated, and are one of the highest educated groups in Russia, more than Russians themselves.

I quote

Russian speaking Armenians are more educated in comparison not only to “Ar- menian speaking” Armenians, but also to Russian Muscovites. Among the first group of Armenians, about 75% have completed a higher education level (among Russian Muscovites about 30%–60% have completed higher education, depending on their age groups) (Вендина, 2005). Armenians that arrived in Moscow recently have a much lo- wer educational level. Such data would indicate a rather high status of the Armenians – long-time residents of Moscow. Recent Armenian-speaking immigrants have a low so- cial and professional status. In general, Armenians are one of the most educated ethnic groups among ethnic minorities in Moscow, and they formerly lived in large big cities.

To compare Armenians with Chechens, Azeris or Dagestanis is, ofcourse, hilarious. There is a difference. Armenians, who live in Russia (and thus Russian-Armenians) for a longer period, are well integrated in society and very successful. Azeris/Chechens, who live in Russia for a longer period, are NOT well integrated in society and very unsuccessful, compared to Armenians. Indeed, Armenian immigrants (non-Russians) and other illegal Armenians do take the jobs as taxi drivers or in the construction business, which is logical given their situation.

Furthermore, an average European also does not see a difference between Armenians and Turks. That is how average people are. Educated Russians, Russians that do matter, Russians that do have control / power, respect Armenians, know who we are, where we come from, and what we contributed. This cannot be said of educated Europeans regarding Armenians.

Conclusion lampdumb: you are Mr. Bullshit. Congratulations.

[Vahram]

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"yes you semi-literate moron, the world suddenly changes inside elevators!"

LOL priceless stupidity! After all what was expected from a filthy toork?

Listen stupid go learn English, you were in an Elevator not Elabators

After two days of keeping silent the toork comes back saying the stupidest thing he could possibly say

This also means you are spectacularly dumb! since you are a Babboon this was to be expected!

I'm dying laughing at this moron!