Politics in Hayastan

[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Mher why do you think the civil contract party is the best choice? What about it makes it better then the rest?

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

One thing I should add is that, there's plenty that can be improved in Armenia without disrupting the oligarchs. there are many things that are simply ran ineffectively than can be corrected if someone simply cared.




Can you give a brief summary

https://youtu.be/OIwEuK_gVVI?t=641

Watch 5 mins of this and

https://youtu.be/OIwEuK_gVVI?t=1596

5 mins from here

[armnuke]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Armenian Governor Resigns

The governor of Armenia’s southern Ararat province widely seen as a stronghold of Hovik Abrahamian resigned on Tuesday one week after the former prime minister decided to leave the ruling Republican Party (HHK).

A senior aide to Prime Minister Karen Karapetian said Governor Rubik Abrahamian gave no reasons in his letter of resignation submitted to the government. The official, Shushan Sardarian, told RFE/RL’s Armenian service (Azatutyun.am) that the resignation will be accepted.

Rubik Abrahamian was appointed as Ararat governor in May 2014 shortly after Hovik Abrahamian became prime minister. The latter was replaced by Karapetian in September last year.

The former prime minister has long had a strong political and economic influence in the regional capital Artashat and nearby villages. He was born and still lives in one of those villages close to Yerevan. The area is notorious for electoral fraud and violent attacks on opposition activists.

Hovik Abrahamian’s son Argam was elected mayor of Artashat in 2015 at the age of 29. The town’s deputy mayor, Gagik Poghosian, on Tuesday denied rumors that Argam too will step down.

Hovik Abrahamian, who has managed the HHK’s election campaigns since 2008, first revealed his exit from the party headed by President Serzh Sarkisian on January 24. He has still not given a clear reason the move which came just over two months before Armenia’s next parliamentary elections.

Sarkisian launched a thinly veiled attack on the ex-premier at a January 26 meeting of the HHK’s governing body. Abrahamian hit back at the president the following day, provoking a stern rebuke from a party spokesman.

According to a senior figure at the HHK secretariat in Yerevan, Ruben Tadevosian, Abrahamian formally notified the party of his decision to quit it earlier in the day. “I’ve received Hovik Abrahamian’s [resignation] application today … He gave no explanation for his motives,” said Tadevosian.

Echoing statements by other party figures, Tadevosian insisted that Abrahamian’s departure will not have a “substantial impact” on the HHK’s chances in the elections slated for April 2.

http://www.azatutyun.am/a/28270054.html

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

You got governor with same last name as former PM. The report above does not mention it but I bet the provincial governor is Hovik Abrahamians brother or first cousin. His son is the mayor of Artahsat at the age of 29. 29 ha?
Whole clan of F@@kin rats on money sucking posts.
Funny part is nobody is talking about what damage Abrahamian's clan has done to Ararat province and Armenia as a whole.
29 years old has enough merits to be a city mayor ha? What a frickin progress that Armenia has people in their 20s governing cities, metallurgy concerns, councils and ministries for their fathers and uncles.
And Armenian news are only talking about Abrahamian's departure from HHK as if European standard political event not two groups of rats biting each other for pile of corn (the real motives). Serjik's and hovik Abrahamian's packs.
More sad yet, media and people happily and with great curiosity and anticipation discuss possibility of Abrahamian joining Tsarukian's BHK.
Doves cannot join rats. They are both rats.
All this charade and self deception by a whole country. Saaad...

[londontsi]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

You got governor with same last name as former PM. The report above does not mention it but I bet the provincial governor is Hovik Abrahamians brother or first cousin. His son is the mayor of Artahsat at the age of 29. 29 ha?
Whole clan of F@@kin rats on money sucking posts.
Funny part is nobody is talking about what damage Abrahamian's clan has done to Ararat province and Armenia as a whole.
29 years old has enough merits to be a city mayor ha? What a frickin progress that Armenia has people in their 20s governing cities, metallurgy concerns, councils and ministries for their fathers and uncles.
And Armenian news are only talking about Abrahamian's departure from HHK as if European standard political event not two groups of rats biting each other for pile of corn (the real motives). Serjik's and hovik Abrahamian's packs.
More sad yet, media and people happily and with great curiosity and anticipation discuss possibility of Abrahamian joining Tsarukian's BHK.
Doves cannot join rats. They are both rats.
All this charade and self deception by a whole country. Saaad...

Until and unless Serj Sargissyan’s clan is also dismantled this has to be seen as an inter-clan fight.
Nothing for the benefit of Armenia or its long suffering people.

I have in mind Serjig’s brother, son-in-law and the other lower profile leaches.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fMcQHBYTlO4

[Mher]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Mher why do you think the civil contract party is the best choice? What about it makes it better then the rest?

First of all, it's very simple to see why Serzh himself is not capable of implementing reform. He is extremely unpopular. I would think his approval rating would be well under 10% in Armenia. His entire power is maintained through those who benefit from the shortcomings in rule of law. Therefore he is unable to implement the necessary changes because he has nobody else to rely on.

Of course Tsarukyan and his group are unacceptable for similar reasons: In that they benefit from shortcomings in rule of law. But more than that, most of them, just like those who run the HHK are not intellectually capable of comprehending the flaw in their ways. They don't understand how a state should be properly run, and even if they wanted the best for the country, they wouldn't be able to do it.

I started with Civil Contract as a very skeptical observer, by just going to their meetings and listening. But they have sincerely won me over. Most of their members are young kids from average backgrounds with professional degrees, who have built themselves up. They have no ties to those who benefit from the shortcomings in our country. They have no large financial backers. And they have comprehensive ideas for reform of taxes, judiciary, the police, and the education system that could help the country.

I should add I like Lusavor Hayastan even more from the outside. I simply got involved with Civil Contract because I knew someone who was a member. But from the outside, fundamentally Lusavor Hayastan looks like an even more honest and impressive movement. However Edmon Marukyan is not nearly as charismatic as Nikol Pashinyan, so he's not able to get the same following. But I'm very happy they've decided to form an alliance. Really the first two opposition parties in Armenia worth taking seriously.

[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

First of all, it's very simple to see why Serzh himself is not capable of implementing reform. He is extremely unpopular. I would think his approval rating would be well under 10% in Armenia. His entire power is maintained through those who benefit from the shortcomings in rule of law. Therefore he is unable to implement the necessary changes because he has nobody else to rely on.

Of course Tsarukyan and his group are unacceptable for similar reasons: In that they benefit from shortcomings in rule of law. But more than that, most of them, just like those who run the HHK are not intellectually capable of comprehending the flaw in their ways. They don't understand how a state should be properly run, and even if they wanted the best for the country, they wouldn't be able to do it.

I started with Civil Contract as a very skeptical observer, by just going to their meetings and listening. But they have sincerely won me over. Most of their members are young kids from average backgrounds with professional degrees, who have built themselves up. They have no ties to those who benefit from the shortcomings in our country. They have no large financial backers. And they have comprehensive ideas for reform of taxes, judiciary, the police, and the education system that could help the country.

I should add I like Lusavor Hayastan even more from the outside. I simply got involved with Civil Contract because I knew someone who was a member. But from the outside, fundamentally Lusavor Hayastan looks like an even more honest and impressive movement. However Edmon Marukyan is not nearly as charismatic as Nikol Pashinyan, so he's not able to get the same following. But I'm very happy they've decided to form an alliance. Really the first two opposition parties in Armenia worth taking seriously.

The development of a political party worth supporting could be huge! If such parties can pool their resources together and maintain their goals of improving Armenia then perhaps we can help them as well. I have long been wanting to find a organization worth supporting.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

First of all, it's very simple to see why Serzh himself is not capable of implementing reform. He is extremely unpopular. I would think his approval rating would be well under 10% in Armenia. His entire power is maintained through those who benefit from the shortcomings in rule of law. Therefore he is unable to implement the necessary changes because he has nobody else to rely on.

Of course Tsarukyan and his group are unacceptable for similar reasons: In that they benefit from shortcomings in rule of law. But more than that, most of them, just like those who run the HHK are not intellectually capable of comprehending the flaw in their ways. They don't understand how a state should be properly run, and even if they wanted the best for the country, they wouldn't be able to do it.

I started with Civil Contract as a very skeptical observer, by just going to their meetings and listening. But they have sincerely won me over. Most of their members are young kids from average backgrounds with professional degrees, who have built themselves up. They have no ties to those who benefit from the shortcomings in our country. They have no large financial backers. And they have comprehensive ideas for reform of taxes, judiciary, the police, and the education system that could help the country.

I should add I like Lusavor Hayastan even more from the outside. I simply got involved with Civil Contract because I knew someone who was a member. But from the outside, fundamentally Lusavor Hayastan looks like an even more honest and impressive movement. However Edmon Marukyan is not nearly as charismatic as Nikol Pashinyan, so he's not able to get the same following. But I'm very happy they've decided to form an alliance. Really the first two opposition parties in Armenia worth taking seriously.

I like both.
But like all the others, personal weight of their leaders is behind organization more than the idea or philosophy it represents.
I really got disappointed at Civil Contract's performance in elections. It is true that HHK machinations had a lot to do, but any one of groups or parties in Armenia does not formulate a clear philosophy, character and spread it in public nowadays.
People go "Pashinian said this, tsarukian said that". It is still like there are groups on each corner of room and their leaders throw mud and bricks and call people to join them and people know very well who is each group, but yet, cannot tell which group is the white, which one the black, blue or red.
It's what their leaders say. And what they say is their personal idealism, not some philosophy they are serving.
Pashinian can put the government in mud every time he takes the podium in parliament. But what about a clear, comprehensive political social backbone that people know and which pulls them to join?
Public in Armenia is lost in understanding the process, structure and importance of ideology in any political movement.
The only political movement they are aware of and remember is communism and nazism, both horrors for them.
But they don't see that without political movement, no force can change or clean or do benefit in country.
Everything will rest on personalities and be as weak, feeble or unclear as those leaders.
People have to know that there is no escape from political participation, otherwise people loose the right and controll over those leaders and their groups.
There has to be political philosophy that answers to today's pressing issues to which leader's characters and actions that adapt it can be evaluated.
Otherwise, Pashinian is a hero today, idiot tomorrow. Tharukian is god sent any time he throws a few silvers on public.
If I put together a general view of all the political campaigns and speeches in Armenia in past 25 years, they all amount to action plans each, to convince and get support from public. And they all fall short. No political-social philosophy presented.
But if we compare to our Neighbour's, we are way behind and in chaos.
Turks for example have several political ideologies that are strong forces each.
Panturkism, panislamism, kemalism, national democratic movement, socialist movement.
They all compete and any one of those can shape and lead turkey to a direction.
What we have?
Socialists? Christian democrats? Nationalists? National socialists?
Where?
We got Njdeh's Azgakron ideology that still has the dust from 1920's on it and nobody has modernized it and helped in creating a movement that I know.
It is just an example. But maybe it could work just like kemalizm or panturkism worked in uniting and modernizing turkey after WWI disastrous end.
Maybe everybody conciders a victory the USSR's dissolution, but also we should consider that aftermath situation looks like a heavy defeat of a war.
We need a nationalistic ideology today, that is not Nazy in essence, but progressive and democratic enough in order to fight emigration, oligarchs and corruption.
Society has to have a backbone grafted by dedicated servants.

[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Hakob makes a good point about having a ideology. The question is which ideology? They all have major flaws plus what is right for one society may not be right for another. Perhaps this can e a new topic of a new thread that seems very worthy of discussion.