Politics in Hayastan

[Zeytun]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

We need a small but significant group to reach parliament and initiate political and ideological debate that will shift the political rhetoric, most of the parliamentarians now are probably ill-cultured, they look at Russia as an example: when its a country that has just decremanilized domestic abuse.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

We need a small but significant group to reach parliament and initiate political and ideological debate that will shift the political rhetoric, most of the parliamentarians now are probably ill-cultured, they look at Russia as an example: when its a country that has just decremanilized domestic abuse.

Agree, but what you point out is another action plan. But before that most important is what political ideology they will have, represent, before expecting any meaningful debates. Or will they have one at all? Or it will be just usual fractional accusations and attacks like it has been so far?
So far we know who is for what, like prorussian or prowest, pro peace or pro resistance.
Or who is against whom? Like against or pro government, against or pro oligarchs.
But all this does not amount to political ideology. Do we know what ideologies any parliament member has? No. Not even sure when they even declare one, because no one has been acting as if they have.
That is why today someone will criticize this and that, but tomorrow will join ranks together and so on.
Also lack of political ideology is one reason behind oppositions inability to unite. You can bring together people with similar or close ideologies. But without them it comes down to personalities working, in which we are not a very cohesive nation.
Have you heard "Every Armenian is a general, there are no soldiers" saying?
Zaruhi Postanjian and Nicol Pashinian can tear their throats criticizing Serj Sargsian and others, but if I don't know for what ideology, what endgame they are doing it, all amounts to just one more time someone is voicing something about government that I know perfectly well already. But this does not make me want to go join Zaruhi in one party because I don't know who she is actually.
It's like past few elections in US. The whole campaignings have been about personal attacking more then political ideologies.
Even too many observers have noted that both republicans and democrats have been acting way too close in ideologies, serving, supporting corporate America.
At the end, Trump came that presented an opposing ideology. Not a party one but personal ideology. And people voted for him.
Imagine what would happen if a whole party with Trump's ideology would come to play?
Whole American political landscape would be torn apart and rearranged. It would change population's behavior a great deal too as it has been shaped for past 30 years by a single ideology of global liberalism and political correctness.

[Zeytun]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I completely agree with you Hakob,I hope the new proportional system will lead to some change in the political scene.
On another note:

Ruling Party Leader Slams Former Defense Minister:

http://www.azatutyun.am/a/28273169.html

More Members Quit Republican Party:

http://www.azatutyun.am/a/28273735.html

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I completely agree with you Hakob,I hope the new proportional system will lead to some change in the political scene.
On another note:

Ruling Party Leader Slams Former Defense Minister:

http://www.azatutyun.am/a/28273169.html

More Members Quit Republican Party:
http://www.azatutyun.am/a/28273735.html

Those members quitting looks like clans splitting from one another. One oligarchic clan splitting from HHK clans and joining another clan driven group (I would not call any one group a "Party").
Looks like clan warfare and rearrangements.
What looks bad is some shamed and proven low figures joining both HHK and BHK, like Gyumri's former mayor "Vardanik" joining BHK and former environmental protection minister and former chief of police Alik Sargsian (convicted embezzler and felon) taking up key positions in Artahsat for government and HHK.
Where is PM Karapetian's reforms?
Vardanik was involved in murders, corruption and embezzlement thru all of his career as official in Gyumri, with his family.
Just like Surik in Syuniq.
This characters, looks like are holding as strong influence in Armenia's politics as ever.
Meanwhile all that call themselves opposition are still in mindless shuffling process. Who's splitting from whom and who's joining whom? What they say and act, population passing by as if it is happening in another universe.
If any one of those political figures from all groups or any individual had any ideology other then opportunism, there would not be such a shuffling orgy in Armenia only one month before elections.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

What is happening in Armenia now is a war between oligarchic clans for power and money, triggered by upcoming elections.
There is no more room for clans to expand. No more money and resources to steal. Markets are monopolized and each opportunity taken by a clan.
I am guessing that this is the start of conflicts between clans from now on.
Whoever grabs power next, will eye the resources, positions and money from other clans who happen to end up in a weaker spot. If HHK keeps power, BHK clan holdings and market shares will be grabbed and divided.
If BHK ends up with power in government, it's members will put their hands on HHK clan member assets and positions.
So on for most of newly forming alliances.
Hovik Abrahamian's clan has been out of favor with HHK for awhile now and every family member and relative is leaving their positions in government and declaring war on HHK.
That is the only way to try to protect their assets or any chance for it. Otherwise HHK other clans would dismantle them anyway.
Same way Gyumri's Vardanik, whose once all powerful clan had lost for past years, hopes to get back to power and money under BHK umbrella. Thsarukian eagerly accepts Vardanik because he simply needs a base group in Gyumri. Nothing ideological. Does not matter how dirty Vardanik's name and character is.
HHK on the other hand is taking back Alik Sargsian and his circle to fight off Hovik Abrahamian's clan in Artashat.
The convicted criminal former police chief. Does not matter...
Actually it hints of inter clan conflicts that are starting to become very visible and critical.
By changing from presidential government to parliamentary and doing elections in April, Serj Sargsian trying to secure his clan's safety and power, may have opened up Pandora's box.
All the interclan conflicts and power competitions are going to boil and may get very nasty.
I always have thought howcome there was allways balance and calmness between Armenia's clans? Because being corrupt and criminal in nature, oligarchy is similar with mafia sometimes and follows with unending conflicts and wars sometimes. It's because greed can never be institutionalised and controlled.
We see this in every post Soviet country. Time to time wars between oligarchs erupt with assasinations and jailings.
Looks like there is a good possibility this may come to our "lav dgheq".

[HyeSocialist]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

What is happening in Armenia now is a war between oligarchic clans for power and money, triggered by upcoming elections.
There is no more room for clans to expand. No more money and resources to steal. Markets are monopolized and each opportunity taken by a clan.
I am guessing that this is the start of conflicts between clans from now on.
Whoever grabs power next, will eye the resources, positions and money from other clans who happen to end up in a weaker spot. If HHK keeps power, BHK clan holdings and market shares will be grabbed and divided.
If BHK ends up with power in government, it's members will put their hands on HHK clan member assets and positions.
So on for most of newly forming alliances.
Hovik Abrahamian's clan has been out of favor with HHK for awhile now and every family member and relative is leaving their positions in government and declaring war on HHK.
That is the only way to try to protect their assets or any chance for it. Otherwise HHK other clans would dismantle them anyway.
Same way Gyumri's Vardanik, whose once all powerful clan had lost for past years, hopes to get back to power and money under BHK umbrella. Thsarukian eagerly accepts Vardanik because he simply needs a base group in Gyumri. Nothing ideological. Does not matter how dirty Vardanik's name and character is.
HHK on the other hand is taking back Alik Sargsian and his circle to fight off Hovik Abrahamian's clan in Artashat.
The convicted criminal former police chief. Does not matter...
Actually it hints of inter clan conflicts that are starting to become very visible and critical.
By changing from presidential government to parliamentary and doing elections in April, Serj Sargsian trying to secure his clan's safety and power, may have opened up Pandora's box.
All the interclan conflicts and power competitions are going to boil and may get very nasty.
I always have thought howcome there was allways balance and calmness between Armenia's clans? Because being corrupt and criminal in nature, oligarchy is similar with mafia sometimes and follows with unending conflicts and wars sometimes. It's because greed can never be institutionalised and controlled.
We see this in every post Soviet country. Time to time wars between oligarchs erupt with assasinations and jailings.
Looks like there is a good possibility this may come to our "lav dgheq".

True that.

They are inward thinking. If they thought, hey, why not we expand our markets to Georgia? to Ukraine? to Bulgaria and Iran? No...only in Armenia.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

True that.

They are inward thinking. If they thought, hey, why not we expand our markets to Georgia? to Ukraine? to Bulgaria and Iran? No...only in Armenia.

They can only plunder, bend the law and survive in Armenia. And plundering is their nature. Any other country they will be kicked or arrested instantly because if that country is corrupt like our already, local oligarchs will fight those off or out. If that country is law abiding, then they will be arrested and their money confiscated.
Most they can do is keep money offshore and live off of it, which means they cannot live in Armenia because soon or later Armenia's new bosses will go after them. Those offshore accounts also cannot be kept indefinite because loosing value and most have to be tied to a name.
Best bet is buying real estate investments in other countries, which they are quietly doing. But even there local laws and regulations give problems.
Anybody that cannot live like a real citizen in his country, cannot live so in any other.
We have a case where an oligarkh from presidential circle tried to buy former sears shopping center in Hollywood but because could not do without illegal steps that's in his nature, the sale got suspended and money hanging in the air. Shopping center still was sitting abandoned after many years as far as I know.
Even when some tried to buy business investments in Europe, many cases their money and practices got law coming on them or quickly went bancrapt.
What can you do, the only way they know how to do business is illegal Only, and even when able to purchase there is no way they know how to run or do business in Europe or USA.
Their essence and character will not change.
So far only few succeded.
Do you think lfic Samo can import sugar in France or Netherlands? Or have such a feudal
lifestile there with his bodyguards, booth lickers,seconds and concubines without working day and night like a slave to keep his business going, and not being able to solve everything by a simple phone call or cooking a plot?
If his monopoly privileges will be taken out In Armenia and free market and laws forced on him, his businesses cannot survive a year.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I just read that authorities in Armenia have arrested Vardan Oskanian's son and nephew on kidnaping charges.
I hope this is not mafioso government's action against Oskanian/Raffi/Ohanian group before elections and is not cooked up like with so many others.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I just read that authorities in Armenia have arrested Vardan Oskanian's son and nephew on kidnaping charges.
I hope this is not mafioso government's action against Oskanian/Raffi/Ohanian group before elections and is not cooked up like with so many others.

Ձերբակալել են Վարդան Օսկանյանի որդուն եւ ազգականին
18.02.2017

https://news.am/arm/news/374132.html

2017թ. փետրվարի 17-ին Ոստիկանությունից ստացվել է քաղաղացու հաղորդման հիման վրա նախապատրաստված նյութերն առ այն, որ 2017թ. փետրվարի 16-ին իր ընկեր Հ.Սիրադարյանը եւ նրա հորաքրոջ որդին` Ա.Օսկանյանը իրենից պահանջել են վերադարձնել պարտքի գումարը, որի ընթացքում իր կամքին հակառակ իրեն պահել են ավտոմեքենայի մեջ եւ թույլ չեն տվել դրանից դուրս գալ`առողջության համար վտանգավոր բռնություն գործադրելու սպառնալիքներ հնչեցնելով:

Այդ մասին NEWS.am֊ին հայտնեցին Քննչական կոմիտեի հասարակայնության հետ կապերի բաժնից:

«Նկատի ունենալով, որ նյութերն պարունակում են ՀՀ քրեական օրենսգրքի 133-րդ հոդվածի 2-րդ մասի 1-ին եւ 2-րդ կետերով նախատեսված հանցագործության հատկանիշներ` փետրվարի 17-ին ՀՀ քննչական կոմիտեի Կոտայքի մարզային քննչական վարչության Աբովյանի քննչական բաժնում հարուցվել է քրեական գործ:

Հաշվի առնելով քրեական գործի նկատմամբ հասարակական մեծ հետաքրքրությունը` տեղեկացնում ենք, որ քննությամբ ձեռք բերված նախնական տվյալներով փետրվարի 16-ին` ժամը 17:00-ի սահմաններում Երեւան քաղաքի Լենինգրադյան փողոցի «Ռոբերտո» խանութ-սրահի հարակից հատվածից Ն.Բերբերյանին նստեցրել են ավտոմեքենայի մեջ, գնացել Աբովյան քաղաք եւ նրա կամքին հակառակ եւ իր առողջության համար վտանգավոր բռնություն գործադրելու սպառնալիքներ հնչեցնելով ապօրինաբար զրկել ազատ տեղաշարժվելու իրավունքից եւ պահանջել վերադարձնել 1.500.000 ՀՀ դրամ պարտքը:

Փետրվարի 17-ին Ա. Օսկանյանը եւ Հ.Սիրադարյանը ձերբակալվել են ՀՀ քրեական օրենսգրքի ՀՀ քրեական օրենսգրքի 133-րդ հոդվածի 2-րդ մասի 1-ին եւ 2-րդ կետերով նախատեսված հանցավոր արաք կատարելու կասկածանքով: Վերջիններս հրաժարվել են ցուցմունք տալ:

Ձեռնարկվում են անհրաժեշտ քննչական գործողություններ` դեպքի բոլոր հանգամանքների բազմակողմանի, օբյեկտիվ եւ լրիվ հետազոտումն ապահովելու, տուժողի մատնանշած հանգամանքներն ստուգելու ուղղությամբ:

Քննության արդյունքների մասին տեղեկույթ կտրամադրենք պարբերաբար»,– հաղորդում է Քննչական կոմիտեն:

Նշենք, որ Ա.Օսկանյանը նախկին ԱԳ նախարար, «Համախմբում» կուսակցության նախագահ Վարդան Օսկանյանի որդին է՝ 33-ամյա Արա Օսկանյանը:

[Vrej1915]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Վարդան Օսկանյանի որդին ազատ է արձակվել

http://asekose.am/hy_AM/news/8/242706-vardan-oskanyani-ordin-azat-e-arcakvel.html

2017-02-20
Քիչ առաջ Աբովյանի քննչական բաժնից ստորագրությամբ ազատ է արձակվել Արա Օսկանյանը։ Այս մասին իր ֆեյսբուքյան էջում տեղեկացրել է Արա Օսկանյանի փաստաբան Տիգրան Աթանեսյանը:

Նախկին արտգործնախարար, «Համախմբում» կուսակցության նախագահ Վարդան Օսկանյանի որդին՝ Ա. Օսկանյանը և Հ. Սիրադարյանը ձերբակալվել էին փետրվարի 17-ին՝ ըստ պաշտոնական հաղորդագրության՝ ՀՀ քրեական օրենսգրքի 133-րդ հոդվածի 2-րդ մասի 1-ին և 2-րդ կետերով նախատեսված հանցավոր արարք կատարելու կասկածանքով:

Քննչական կոմիտեն տեղեկացրել էր, որ քննությամբ ձեռք բերված նախնական տվյալներով նրանք փետրվարի 16-ին` ժամը 17:00-ի սահմաններում Երևան քաղաքի Լենինգրադյան փողոցի «Ռոբերտո» խանութ-սրահի հարակից հատվածից Ն.Բերբերյանին նստեցրել են ավտոմեքենայի մեջ, գնացել Աբովյան քաղաք և նրա կամքին հակառակ և իր առողջության համար վտանգավոր բռնություն գործադրելու սպառնալիքներ հնչեցնելով՝ ապօրինաբար զրկել ազատ տեղաշարժվելու իրավունքից և պահանջել վերադարձնել 1.500.000 ՀՀ դրամ պարտքը:

Քննիչի որոշմամբ նաև վարդան Օսկանյանի ազգականի՝ Հ, Սիրադարյանի նկատմամբ է որպես խափանման միջոց ընտրվել ստորագրությունը՝ չհեռանալու մասին։