Politics in Hayastan

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

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[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

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[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Despite the HHK almost having 50% of parliamentary seats, they still lost a lot of seats 11 with YELK (the guys we need right now) gaining more popularity reaching over 9 seats out of 101, yes it may sound weak but the HHK Originally had 69 seats and taking a bigger majority more almost 60% now they have crumbled down under 50% this is good as it has given slightly more space than usual, with the continued declining popularity of the HHK party it has left me worrying will the Oligarchs take over as majority!

We have to see in next few weeks what was this unrest in tsarukian coalition about?
I will be very happy if deserting deputates will not jump ship to HHK.
So far if someone goes and is being endorsed by political coalition until after elections and then a resignation is tried to force, it does not look good.
There were signs of dissent in HHK too in past days, but that all went under controll.
It's all a big bazaar.

[DieHard69]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Despite the HHK almost having 50% of parliamentary seats, they still lost a lot of seats 11 with YELK (the guys we need right now) gaining more popularity reaching over 9 seats out of 101, yes it may sound weak but the HHK Originally had 69 seats and taking a bigger majority more almost 60% now they have crumbled down under 50% this is good as it has given slightly more space than usual, with the continued declining popularity of the HHK party it has left me worrying will the Oligarchs take over as majority!

[HyeSocialist]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

There is a big behind the curtains struggle going on in tsarukian dashinq that looks like another one of HHK machinations for power.
Tsarukian forced 12 of BHK newly elected parliament members to resign, but 8 switched their resignations and today got their parliament rep certificates from central election committee (which we know is controlled by government/HHK.
This is a mutinee and could be repetition of Gumri and Vanadzor elections where elected deputies (I'd say covert liars) switched sides and gave majority controll to HHK.
If this comes true in parliament too, then HHK (Serjik) newtralises an allready halfhearted largest opposition and by machinations takes full (absolute) control of parliament.
I hope I am wrong.
On another news, the son in law of oligarkh Yuvetsi Karo ( goghakan nickname of parliament rep Karo Karapetian), Gor, who was arrested in 2014 for attempted murder in shooting that also got innocent bystanders injured, was set free today.
So much for reforms...

Our best hope is that they only fight themselves and injure themselves, and let the common people of Armenia work hard and enjoy the fruits of their own labor.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

There is a big behind the curtains struggle going on in tsarukian dashinq that looks like another one of HHK machinations for power.
Tsarukian forced 12 of BHK newly elected parliament members to resign, but 8 switched their resignations and today got their parliament rep certificates from central election committee (which we know is controlled by government/HHK.
This is a mutinee and could be repetition of Gumri and Vanadzor elections where elected deputies (I'd say covert liars) switched sides and gave majority controll to HHK.
If this comes true in parliament too, then HHK (Serjik) newtralises an allready halfhearted largest opposition and by machinations takes full (absolute) control of parliament.
I hope I am wrong.
On another news, the son in law of oligarkh Yuvetsi Karo ( goghakan nickname of parliament rep Karo Karapetian), Gor, who was arrested in 2014 for attempted murder in shooting that also got innocent bystanders injured, was set free today.
So much for reforms...

[Eddo211]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Armenia's problems are unique to Armenia and will require an Armenian solution, not European or Russian.

National Security should not dictate governess.

Only the new generation has the power of the country's dirrection and wisdom

[lampron]

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Also I am not taking offense about generational soviet legacy.
You will be surprised how large sector of young population exists in Armenia that is more adherent to sort of twisted and corrupt soviet burocratic culture.
The healthy young generation has no small task.
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georgia believed it was an island of Europe in the middle of the Caucasus
In reality, countries in one geographical are connected to each other and cannot live in isolation
What is the corruption level in Georgia, Turkey, Russia? Armenia probably will not be radically different
Armenians were strong believers in the soviet union. Why? Because last time Armenia had an independent state, army and politics was in 1375
In 1918-20 Armenian survival as an state depended on British policy.
Armenian mentality is to look for a powerful friend or a protector
Pro-soviet or pro-Russian mentality will not go away because the majority feels their security depends on it

[DieHard69]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

If fighting to erase corruption or trying to replace corrupt government is only a European model, then we got problems. Because of Europe - Russia conflicts we will have a Russian reaction.
But if we consider fighting corruption on our national survival and security platform, then Europe's name should not pop up.
This is an issue underlying any sistem's or country's survival. So we, ourselfs should stop treating this actions or ideas as a European exclusivity.
We just need to address it and get the message to Russia first place.
Also I am not taking offense about generational soviet legacy.
You will be surprised how large sector of young population exists in Armenia that is more adherent to sort of twisted and corrupt soviet burocratic culture.
The healthy young generation has no small task.
In my search for help I allways come to diaspora's resources and young generation. However corrupt their current countries are, they don't have the soviet type authoritarian and submissive culture in their blood.
So any influence, repatriation being the best, is a big help in ending soviet legacy.

Indeed I agree with you, but new technology like the Internet has exposed our younger audience to the real world, Wikipedia is not being edited by a couple of people, millions edit and re edit and have given an overall an open minded source without going against anyone no matter who it is, T.V my Mum forces me to watch is the worst thing I can do as it could be littered with propaganda and a single point of view rather than every point of view, but these former soviets politician need to piss off as they seem to have the most corruption in our country. Der astvats let us have not a generational ruling like Azerbaijan has ended up.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

That is the problem, Russia is our only source of defense in this region changing our government to a European model is not a good idea, but that doesn't mean we can't imitate the European model for our economy especially the key parts will be great, the greatest issue as many sources state is the lack of reforms our government has and getting this party as a ruling party for one term will be a big improvement, these guys are the ones we should get as majority in parliamentary seats, but they need to realize they're dream is comparable to printing money to fix problems, its not going to end well, and they need to realize it before our younger population overtakes the backwards soviet population. (no offense to anyone who lived in that time, but seriously stop walking on a busy 4 lane road, those pedestrian crossings aren't attractions!)

If fighting to erase corruption or trying to replace corrupt government is only a European model, then we got problems. Because of Europe - Russia conflicts we will have a Russian reaction.
But if we consider fighting corruption on our national survival and security platform, then Europe's name should not pop up.
This is an issue underlying any sistem's or country's survival. So we, ourselfs should stop treating this actions or ideas as a European exclusivity.
We just need to address it and get the message to Russia first place.
Also I am not taking offense about generational soviet legacy.
You will be surprised how large sector of young population exists in Armenia that is more adherent to sort of twisted and corrupt soviet burocratic culture.
The healthy young generation has no small task.
In my search for help I allways come to diaspora's resources and young generation. However corrupt their current countries are, they don't have the soviet type authoritarian and submissive culture in their blood.
So any influence, repatriation being the best, is a big help in ending soviet legacy.