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  • lampron
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Originally posted by Hakob View Post
    I have to remind you that turkey has maintained a full economic blockade and sanctions (just like western sanctions, which are partial, against Russia) against Armenia since 24-25 years, so it's pointless to compare turkish economic dealings with others to our issue.
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    Turkey has made huge investments in its agricultural sector
    If there was no blockade, no sanctions, free trade could still kill Armenian agriculture because of much lower prices from Turkey
    You are saying because of the blockade, goods are being smuggled in with no import duty, hitting Armenian growers

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  • Hakob
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Originally posted by lampron View Post
    Not forgetting that Turkey has highly developed and competitively priced agricultural products. Turkish businessmen have been exporting to many countries around the world, starting from Europe and have the potential to undercut prices from countries like Greece and Bulgaria and of course harm the Armenian exports too
    I have to remind you that turkey has maintained a full economic blockade and sanctions (just like western sanctions, which are partial, against Russia) against Armenia since 24-25 years, so it's pointless to compare turkish economic dealings with others to our issue.
    When a country exports something to other country, it is done with mutual trade quotas and applicable taxes and balances.
    But this case is a thievery and backstabbing our farmers and whole nation by a small group of you know who. This is like some traitor opening the gate of your castle to enemy. Like importing and spreading poison from enemy in your family, killing or getting your farmers to emigrate out to Russia.
    I can go on and on of howdamaging this is.
    And the tomatoes are not the only items. There is a long line of consumer goods and food products illegally imported without paying taxes.
    We can go and compare any field in economy, healthcare, education, social wellbeing of 1970's Armenia and today and you will see that only fraction is left today, 40 years later.
    Not that the communist system was worth a sh I t. But because the corruption has been going on on a scale unimaginable by people of the highest levels in country.
    The blockade of Armenia seems only effective in justifying miserable economic conditions, but never been a roadblock for some on getting rich.
    In the Spirit of justice and our struggle, some figures in Armenia deserve to be lined up against a wall and shot. Not elected in parliament over and over.
    Last edited by Hakob; 05-01-2017, 01:25 PM.

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  • lampron
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Not forgetting that Turkey has highly developed and competitively priced agricultural products. Turkish businessmen have been exporting to many countries around the world, starting from Europe and have the potential to undercut prices from countries like Greece and Bulgaria and of course harm the Armenian exports too

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  • HyeSocialist
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Originally posted by Hakob View Post
    I just read in news that our government started banning "illegal Turkish tomato imports". Pay attention, this follows "illegal azeri apple imports", the pill they could not shove down nation's throat.
    The tomatos? Ohoooooo....
    Since the beginning of Robert Kocharian's administration tomato farming got smashed and wiped out in Armenia by Turkish imports that nobody could "stop or catch".
    In 1970s Armenia exported 2-3000 tons of tomatos to northern soviet republics daily from May till end of September. But for past 20 years the powerful robbery sindicate of our's killed local farming by importing from turkey.
    All for money.
    Now they are congratulating public with "big news" of banning Turkish tomatos. I assume the result of "investigation". After almost 20 years.
    Թուրքի լոլիկով հայ գյուղացու հաշվին չպիտի հարստանան, եղեր, ձեզի և մեզի մենձ ավեդիս։
    Կշտացե՞լ են առնետները…
    Armenian authorities are unbelievable short sighted and crude. They and everyone else can benefit by being fair and thinking for the long term. They don't.

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  • Hakob
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    I just read in news that our government started banning "illegal Turkish tomato imports". Pay attention, this follows "illegal azeri apple imports", the pill they could not shove down nation's throat.
    The tomatos? Ohoooooo....
    Since the beginning of Robert Kocharian's administration tomato farming got smashed and wiped out in Armenia by Turkish imports that nobody could "stop or catch".
    In 1970s Armenia exported 2-3000 tons of tomatos to northern soviet republics daily from May till end of September. But for past 20 years the powerful robbery sindicate of our's killed local farming by importing from turkey.
    All for money.
    Now they are congratulating public with "big news" of banning Turkish tomatos. I assume the result of "investigation". After almost 20 years.
    Թուրքի լոլիկով հայ գյուղացու հաշվին չպիտի հարստանան, եղեր, ձեզի և մեզի մենձ ավեդիս։
    Կշտացե՞լ են առնետները…
    Last edited by Hakob; 05-01-2017, 10:47 AM.

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  • Hakob
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Originally posted by HyeSocialist View Post
    I agree with the nation building. I do not think that Armenia should ONLY be for Armenians though. Diversity and multiculturalism are important things in a society.
    I anderstand what you are talking, but the nation building has to have a name. Building Armenia does not mean excluding others.
    Nobody says let's build America for everybody else. It's "build America for Americans". But under word Americans it is understood every kind of local and emigrant considering themselfs Americans.
    Same way France or Russia. It becomes racist if word "only" is included on ethnic ground.
    We build Armenia for Armenians. Whomever that Armenian citizen can be. Yezidi, Diasporan or others, as long as they consider themselfs Armenia's citizens.

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  • HyeSocialist
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Originally posted by Hakob View Post
    I had a quick glance and find this party talking about human values and European values and membership.
    Nothing about our national values or nation building.
    If someone says this government is bad because compare to European values... For me is a meaningless, populist and externally driven ideology, never potent enough to turn the stones to build our country.


    I need a party that will say "this is what future Armenia will be for all ARMENIANS and this is what needs to be done". Clear and loud.
    European values are maybe the best around, but they don't cut in our neighborhood.
    There can be only one value and goal for any nation. Not like a quilt that everybody sews a piece of patch on it, specially copying anything that looks good.
    I agree with the nation building. I do not think that Armenia should ONLY be for Armenians though. Diversity and multiculturalism are important things in a society.

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  • Hakob
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Originally posted by DieHard69 View Post
    Here's his website

    http://edmonmarukyan.com/

    Mr Marukyan's Bright Armenia led party founded in 2015

    http://www.brightarmenia.am/en/1/785/.htm/ There pretty much a bunch of young human rights activists wanting to get Armenia more democratic and less corrupt and leave the Russian the Eurasian Union and gain better relations with the EU.

    Pros.
    They truly want to fix the country and make it less corrupt than what it is.

    Cons.
    They may potentially have little experience in Armenian politics and know little about the Armenia's political problems.

    I had a quick glance and find this party talking about human values and European values and membership.
    Nothing about our national values or nation building.
    If someone says this government is bad because compare to European values... For me is a meaningless, populist and externally driven ideology, never potent enough to turn the stones to build our country.


    I need a party that will say "this is what future Armenia will be for all ARMENIANS and this is what needs to be done". Clear and loud.
    European values are maybe the best around, but they don't cut in our neighborhood.
    There can be only one value and goal for any nation. Not like a quilt that everybody sews a piece of patch on it, specially copying anything that looks good.

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  • londontsi
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    Re: Politics in Hayastan

    https://twitter.com/Treat_Me_Gently/...56194143543296

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-rqMtUXUAAH0YQ.jpg
    Last edited by londontsi; 05-01-2017, 07:30 AM.

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  • Eddo211
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    Tx DieHard

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