Politics in Hayastan

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

So you rather live under a dictator because it is not a charade instead of wanting to live in a democracy like in Denmark or the Netherlands? Not sure why you think democracy is a charade while citing countries like Turkey and Russia.

And just for the record, even countries like Spain, South Korea, and Japan have democracy and rule of law. I mean if you really have a problem with democracy, then you really have a problem with being a member of a community and and being an individual as well.

--- both abov e posts question why I have repeatedly showed [ NO CONFIDENCE ] in democracy.
Does the general population of right now, this moment really "posses the truth or the right/correct path? The majority are the least privaledged and most confused or manipulated. Not the best group to seek an informed , concerned judgement from . How about the next vast group of people above that ? What are their concerns ?
Dispit the appeal to the vast majority, democracy has been and is nothing more than a charade to allow the manipulation of the masses by a conniving few.
Democracy ... Ya, your vote counts. Ya, you make a difference by voting. Ya.
Ya.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Serjik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

All those activists who sign in with the username "Vrej1915" are STILL spreading maidan propaganda on hyeclub?

Dear all,

News for you: your bullxxxxs not working!

PS: Lra-klir and Hakob Badalyan is one of many agents making a living working for enemies of Armenia. Their job is to start a maidan and rip Armenia away from Russia like they did to Ukraine, so they also blow out of proportions every problem in the country to start mass public anger and hostilities, so of course they are against Karen Karapetyan because he really wants to fix Armenia and his good friends with Czar Putin.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Dear Hakob,

Both men you linked are Soros operatives. No matter now wonderful their words sound to you just know that they do this for their bosses and they get a lot of money for their service. This is the problem with us Armenians we love helping our enemies spread their anti-Armenia propaganda then we wonder why theres so much political chaos in the country. So please stop spreading anti-Armenian propaganda!

Armenia's Hanrapetakan party pulled off a very impressive win. The voting process was very well organized, relatively orderly and surprisingly modern. Approximately 60% of voters participated, which is also impressive for a country like Armenia where political apathy rules. Hanrapetakans got about 50% of the votes. The runner up was Tsarukyan's party, and they got 30% of the votes. More significantly, the losing parties are not objecting to the final results. This is no small miracle. Is Armenia is growing up? Perhaps. I give PM Karen Karapetyan the credit for all this. A lot changed in Armenia's political landscape since his return last autumn. I also have to add this: Armenia's Western activists finally got their wish, but with a little twist. Armenia's political system now fully resembles the Western model: Armenia today has a top heavy political system, where the country's citizenry is allowed to participate in limited forms of democracy and where a handful of mainstream political parties are tightly controlled from above by an unseen elite. What Armenia's Western activists were not expecting is that Moscow is that unseen elite controlling the political process from above. Thank God.

Serjik Jan. I know who they are.
I have posted those interviews because they contain very interesting observations.
Please refer to what they are saying and comment.
I will post even a Turkish observation, if I think it helps us better understand our national ideals ( they are threatening, they found a weakness in us etc).
So please stop about this " Anti Armenian" bull sh it.
I understand that you are so dedicated to Serj Sargsian and Republican Party that everybody else is anti Armenian to you.
But...
I also remember that you have also been banned from this forum several times for bullying other members and using bad language.
So please, for the sake of Serj Sargsian and his Republican Party/government refrain from labeling members here and posts.
Instead divulge into contents and put labels on ideas and proposals.
Thank you.
P. S. The train for a maidan in Armenia has passed long time ago. The Sasna Tsrer and other anti government activities since "Electric Yerevan" are domestic and genuine. I solute that and I think you should too.
The foreign funded Orange Revolution is not a threat like it was before.
Also, with new election results the political landscape in Armenia will be rearranged, and so will our discussions.
I myself am very much against Serj Sargsian and Republican Party. But I also am against any foreign Orange BS in Armenia.
I believe people are free to access and discuss any information that they find interesting.
Everybody should be able differentiate and know what is propaganda.
Propaganda is based either on false or very much exadurated facts in order to foster a responce.
The facts about corruption and other problems remain and would be naive to think they are gone. Discussions should be free and factual.
I wish a success to new parliament and PM. But in any time I want, will bring any deficiencies and problems that I see to this forum.

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Serjik Jan,
Also would like to add that your observations are correct about Czar Putin controlling Armenia's politics.

My ideals and goals are that no one from outside controll Armenia's politics.
Let's not go into "without Russia we will be wiped out" and stuff. That is irrelevant to this subject.
The ideal situation will be when we will have an ally like Russia, right, to depend on security and economic cooperation, but our lives in Armenia controlled and planned by Armenians for Armenians. "Our own, fair and honest king".
People may say "that kind of situation does not exist in world now, everybody is dependent", but everything is relevant to national interests or against them.
The level of controll from outside has to be checked by healthy national political forces. The government has to work to minimize the foreign influences or stop them, not to depend on them to stay in power.
A nation without resistance to assimilation, foreign controll, internal balance and justice cannot exist or survive for a long time.
I don't care if Russia was the god's heaven full of angels. It's not Armenia. It's not our nest.
You can go back and check our history. We have had from emperor to semi suverein kings to total foreign controll.
The only times that our nation really prospered was under our own suverein kings.
So any outside controll is going to prohibit our national advancement.
It is another issue when government is full of corruption so much that it squanders any chances of progress possible under moscows current controll.
Even under soviet system we had leadership that screwed up balance in country to starvation. And we also had Demirjian's leadership that however short of ideals, managed to progress Armenian SSR to enviable (whithin Soviet Union) economy and conditions.
I am wishing for the best for Karapetyan, with not a big hope in my heart.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Havess tchunem hazar ankam dzedzadz teman noritz ssgssem, paytz ovker uzum yen ess teman hamdessen noritz u noritz, togh hammen ess yergu seghannerin...
I harg e khosske tchi verapervum ugheghazurg yerevuytin vor mert ent mert kaliss u knum e, abaganelov mtnolorde....

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/20464-Which-Media-outlet-is-allowed-to-read

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/20898-Special-for-Mr-Haykakan-and-who-ever-might-be-concerned-by-senility-matters

[Hakob]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

The immaturedness of our society is very visible when you notice for what the election vote majority went.
Let's forget about Republican, Tsarukian, Elq or ORO groups for whom I can say that some had put forth programs that resembled intentions in tackling real problems.
My focus is about public inability to formulate ideas about root problems people face, and then each individual's own ideas about solution.
What stunned me was seing public reaction before and after election.
In so many interviews ordinary people were asked whom they were going to vote for and why, kept indicating candidates of whom they complained about for so many years and when asked why, kept saying "because it does not make difference".
I was very surprised from so many people saying they are going to vote for republicans and when asked what they expected after elections said "nothing much, everything will stay the same".
Could you guys give your ideas about this phenomenon?

Remember, this is not simply a "too much complaining", like some of you think. But with your actions strengthening a sistem about which you complain for years.?

[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

The immaturedness of our society is very visible when you notice for what the election vote majority went.
Let's forget about Republican, Tsarukian, Elq or ORO groups for whom I can say that some had put forth programs that resembled intentions in tackling real problems.
My focus is about public inability to formulate ideas about root problems people face, and then each individual's own ideas about solution.
What stunned me was seing public reaction before and after election.
In so many interviews ordinary people were asked whom they were going to vote for and why, kept indicating candidates whom they complained about for so many years and when asked why, kept saying "because it does not make difference".
I was very surprised from so many people saying they are going to vote for republicans and when asked what they expected after elections said "nothing much, everything will stay the same".
Could you guys give your ideas about this phenomenon?

No wonder USA congratulated Armenia. It matters not who you vote for in either country. Those favoring western style democracy should now rejoice! Give the people nothing good to vote for and make them think the actually have a choice when they have none. This is the true measure of success in a democracy for all democracies sooner or later end up being the most corrupted form of government. What good are fair and transparent elections when your choices are cyanide and rat poison? The approvals we have been getting from the West regarding our elections are nothing to rejoice about as it simply means the owners of Armenia are simply getting more sophisticated in fooling/coercing the public, just like their western counterparts.

[Zeytun]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I think its due to economic reasons and some pressure. The public sector in Armenia is big it forms 21% of the working population. So imagine how many households are dependent on the public sector. Plus, you have the big business that are owned by the politicians.Then of course they are afraid of some retaliation if they dont vote for their boss.
Rationally speaking if something will not change, why vote the same way or even vote. "So in other way nothing will change, but I have to vote this way" and to be clear it might be implicit not generally explicit pressure.

A quick calculation:
Assuming working labor force in Armenia is 1500000.
Public sector: 0.21
Average household: 3.6
So we have around 1 200 000 people in Armenia who are directly or indirectly dependent on the government. + Add some pressure ( ex: school directors).
Just a hypothesis.

[Serjik]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Dear Hakob,

Respectful disagree with alot of what you think. Firstoff electric yerevan yes, sasna morons no. Sefilyans group is not a real grassroots anything because they are supported from the outside. They get their money for outside and they have agents like igor muradyan advising them. Like everywhere in the world outside people give the money and the direction and emotional people with small brains on the inside do their work. Yeah ok they mean well but so does ISIS i dont care about intentions i care about stability in my country. I know your old so i wont disrespect you but politics is no place for a dreamer. Deal with reality dont be simple minded only few countrys in the world can say they are independent. look at where our country is KAVKAZ were not going to be independent there for hundreds of years. Yeah its painful to think that way but its the truth but maybe you can't handle the truth. You want "armenian rule" but isnt that what you got for 25 years? we saw how armenians take care of armenia during king levons time. All our criminals in high positions are ethnic armenians not russians. No thank you bro i prefer to work with ivan to develop armenia if you know what I mean. Democracy is a sad joke. People cant be trusted to make serious political decisions. We need authoritarian governments but with nationalistic people upon top and very tight friendship with ivan. So sorry for not day dreaming with you, i like to face my reality and deal with it.