Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

[Hakob]

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Wow,that shows me how little contact I've had with any Armenians of any gender.
All the women in my family were shown complete and total respect by the men in my family and all people's I saw them come into contact with(not to mention us kids, for sure).
And I can remember several reasons(easily) for that.
(1)they were all very intelligent,(2)the way they carried themselves seemed to command respect,and (3)they wouldn't tolerate any less ,oh and(4)they would crush you with wonderful grace,reason, extremely swift wit and wisdom as well as enough venom to kill several whales.
Also every desired and sought and valued their input, both inside and outside the family and they had the ability to withhold that if ones conduct was not up to snuff.
I'm not familiar with the ?modern?russian(thug)influenced Armenian man though.
Thug & bigot seem similar in the Russian influence thing to me.
Artashes[/QU

Nah its the influence of the region which is predomenently muslim. Just listen to the likes of Gegev and Mos and you can clearly see how their attitudes resembles the culture they claim to detest. Living in proximity to the islamic world has rubbed off on armenians a number of ways and this is one example.

On top of that we must add 70 yrs of soviet anti family policies. In 1930's they decided that not only any religious beliefs but also the family allegiances have to be changed with allegiances to world proletariat and communism. And they pretty much destroyed the father, mother, husband and wife figures in people. Remember it was ecouraged for a pioneer child to be informant against their parents.
For 70 yrs there was no official structure or system in transfering traditional family values in people. Just like in everything the traditional relations between men and women were destroyed.
In the case of gey rights, I am happy that population in Armenia is behaving like a living organism, and as such, protesting and defending against any artificial infusions in it's body. I don't care if gey rights are accepted or not. As long as they are not financed and forced upon us. Everything must follow natural national identity restoration processes.

[Haykakan]

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Those who are always blaming it on external influences seem to be searching for excuses for their behavior. Whether it was a result of Islamic or Russian influence, these are the attitudes of the average man in Armenia today (and some in the diaspora).

There are certainly Muslims and people "living in proximity" to Muslims that do not behave in this way. Let's confront these issues head-on and stop making excuses and broad generalizations.

I do not like making generalizations unless the generalization is actually accurate. If you observe the behaviour of some men in or from Hayastan or in or from the Arab countries you will notice many muslim influences. My friends father inlaw wont eat pork and he is from middle eastern country and his reasoning is the exact same as the muslims who do not eat pork. Many Hayastantis used to look down on women who drove a car and a married woman was often forbidden to leave the house wo her husbend. These are not soviet influences - they are muslim influences. Violence vs women has been a big problem in Armenia for a very long time but it was not discussed openly before. Now there is the whole gayphobia going around along with a good dose antiwesternization. While i detest some of the things the west has done and continues to do - i also see much value in western culture we armenians can learn from.As for gays well so long as they dont bother me then why should i bother them? Armenia is at the crossroads of civilizations- between east and west- between islam and chrystianity. It only makes sense that we have traits in our society which resemble all these things.

[Odysseus]

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Those self proclaimed nationalists make me chuckle. Trying to control peoples lives, such a silly idea. Who cares if someone is gay or straight or asexual? If it actually bothers you that much then dont be one. As far as the Law goes, why should anybody save for those who cant help themselves get special treatment? All citizens deserve equal treatment regardless of who or what they are.

[Odysseus]

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Quite so. I take quite a bit;most unfortunately of all, never so much so as from Armenian men who hypocritically think themselves to be chivalrous gentlemen.

reminds me of the rabiz razmik joke, it goes something like this: His friend cusses in front of a girl and he smacks his friend, "dont cuss in front of girls, its disrespectful". Later that night he gets home and his wife yells at him, to which he responds by beating her.

[Vahram]

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"reminds me of the rabiz razmik joke"

Is that all it reminds you of?

You know this reminds me of an old Armenian saying, small brain, stupid joke. Moral of the story is not to listen to people telling jokes with small brains, you will not laugh...LOL

[bell-the-cat]

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Those who are always blaming it on external influences seem to be searching for excuses for their behavior. Whether it was a result of Islamic or Russian influence, these are the attitudes of the average man in Armenia today (and some in the diaspora).

There are certainly Muslims and people "living in proximity" to Muslims that do not behave in this way. Let's confront these issues head-on and stop making excuses and broad generalizations.

Although the diasporas of all ethnic groups or minorities (or rather, those who take it upon themselves to speak for those diasporas, the often self-appointed communuity leaders who decide it is their "duty" to become the "guardians" of the community values) tend to express the most extreme fringes of ideologies or social opinions, and they are often more extreme that the typical views of those still living in the homeland.

Maybe in Armenia, people who live like (or are forced to live like, or are treated as if they were) powerless sheep by those in positions of power, as a reaction behave like little Stalins (or little Ayatollas) when at home.

[bell-the-cat]

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I've been seeing a lot more of these appearing recently in Armenian news stories. Some of them seem to be one-man operations (usually formed so that some extremist nut-job can pontificate about how un-Armenian every other Armenian is compared to himself, and how the entire Armenian nation is heading towards extinction because of this).

However, I wonder if many are actually front-organisations for other interests. So, I'm going to add here any news reports I find that mention such groups.

A new one?

Center for aid and rehabilitation to the victims of destructive cults
Headed by Alexander Amaryan


Mentioned in:

Zhamanak: New sects penetrate into Armenia
11:06 23/02/2013 » DAILY PRESS

Alexander Amaryan, head of the center for aid and rehabilitation to
the victims of destructive cults, told Zhamanak that new sects had
recently penetrated into Armenia and that they were among the
Charismatic Churches.

According to him, one of them is called Brides of God, the other
Living Faith. At one time, they were funded by the same organization,
but Living Faith became independent in 2004.

Source: Panorama.am

[bell-the-cat]

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The "Hovhannes Imastaser Catholicos Odznetsi" charity foundation.
Run by Movses Dzavaryan, a Armenian "businessman" who got rich in Russia, then richer still in Armenia.

TRILATERAL AGREEMENT ON PRESERVATION OF ARMENIAN CULTURAL HERITAGE SIGNED

14:44, 4 April, 2013

YEREVAN, AORIL 4, ARMENPRESS. "Hovhannes Imastaser Catholicos Odznetsi"
charity foundation, the Artists' Union of Armenia and Writers' Union
of Armenia singed a trilateral agreement on April 4. In accordance
with the trilateral agreement the sides will assist and contribute to
the preservation, reinforcement, and restoration of Armenia's cultural
heritage. As reports "Armenpress" the Chairman of the Writers' Union
of Armenia Levon Ananyan stated that he welcomes the initiative,
which is aimed at the preservation of the spiritual heritage.

Among other things the Chairman of the Writers' Union Levon Ananyan
noted: "It's of a certain importance to make various classes of
society denying culture to become culture-centered." In his words the
agreement proves that the creative unions are willing to contribute
to strengthening of the spiritual ties and work actively for that
objective.

Ananyan also emphasized that he is hopeful that the launch and
further development of this initiative will create corresponding
cultural atmosphere.

[bell-the-cat]

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Two new crops of idiots out to "save" Armenia from extinction.

The Pan-Armenian Parental Committee - headed by Arman Boshyan

and the

No to Gender Perversion "public initiative" headed by Lia Avetisyan (Assistant Professor at the Department of Divinity, Yerevan State University), Vardan Khachatryan, and priest Grigor Hovhannisyan.


Armenian civic groups call for annulling gender legislation

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2013/08/17/gender/

The public initiative No to Gender Perversion and the Pan-Armenian Parental Committee ask the intellectual circles, NGOs, the media and individuals to take joint action to prevent what they call a perversive legislation.

At a news conference on Saturday, publicist Lia Avetisyan characterized the authors of the law as “cheaters” who elaborated the measure with political motives. “With this law, our National Assembly demonstrated its low level,” she said, stressing the need of urgent measures to annul the controversial legal act.

“The definition goes beyond the traditional approach to the equality of rights between a men and woman, with the state committing itself to protect - at the expense of the budget - the rights and interests of citizens with a gender behavior,” Avetisyan added.

She said that the bill poses a threat to both the present and future generations.

The civil groups also call for making necessary amendments to any laws and decisions that contain propaganda of non-traditional sexual orientation. They propose instead organizing public debates over education reforms to address the more specific needs of the younger generation.

Law of family superior to any law: opinions on Armenia’s gender equality law

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2013/08/07/gender-discussion1/

The Law on Gender Equality poses a threat to Armenian families, publicist Lia Avetisyan, Assistant Professor at the Department of Divinity, Yerevan State University, Vardan Khachatryan, priest Grigor Hovhannisyan, and Coordinator of the all-Armenian parental committee Arman Boshyan told a press conference on gender equality.

According to Ms Avetisyan, “shame on the one hundred and eight Parliament members that voted for the bill.”

Mr Khachatryan said that the Armenian people has historically been free of perversive practices. This is a matter of national security.

“If international laws are superior to national laws, the international laws must be submitted to public discussions as well,” he said.

Priest Grigor Hovhannisyan said that the Church’s mission is education and enlightenment. But such laws pave the way for sin, and “Sodom and Gomorrah is the end.”

The Church is determined to struggle against all the practices that pose a threat to families, he said.

As to why most of the Armenian MPs voted for the bill, priest Hovhannisyan said: “Do not you know who our Parliament members are? The RPA [ruling Republican Party of Armenia] told them to adopt the bill and they pressed the buttons. Very few of them are interested in adopting such a bill. Some of them lacked the shrewdness to understand the matter.”

Mr Boshyan stressed the need to realize that it is not the law that is in question.

“The law of family is superior to any law. I am appealing to our people and asking them ‘Are you ready for homosexuals to educate your children?’”


Avetisyan last bugbear was "J3wish music" - http://www.youth.am/index.php?lang=2&id=12659 and she has firm opinions about cannibalism (we would all still be dining on humans if we had not been weaned off them by the much tastier Armenian cuisine) - http://www.aysor.am/en/news/2011/12/07/lia-avetisyan/ and about why Valentine day cards lead to sex dolls http://www.aysor.am/en/news/2012/02/14/lia-avetisyan/.

But, evidently, she does not think gambling and casinos are against "ancient family values" http://news.am/eng/news/167281.html.

[bell-the-cat]

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Armenian Eagles
Headed by Khachik Asrian (HHK MP and deputy minister of sports and youth affairs)

RFE/RL Armenia Report - 10/11/2013
Press Review

`Zhoghovurd' discusses the comments by head of the pro-establishment
Armenian Eagles organization Khachik Asrian. In an interview with a
local paper Asrian called for
burning Postanjian at the stake for her question to the president at
the PACE. "In normal countries if a state official makes hate speech,
he or she will not only be dismissed from the government position but
will at least be arrested. But this is in normal countries and not in
Armenia where members of the ruling party enjoy their immunity from
prosecution", the paper writes.

`Aravot' editorializes on the same subject: `It is several centuries
now that burning people at the stake hasn't been practiced as a form
of execution. Perhaps in the jungles of Africa that are quite a long
way from the [Asrian's native] Syunik plateau some savage tribes still
preserve this tradition, but those tribes are not members of the
European People's Party as the HHK, they do not want `deep and
comprehensive' free trade with Europe and do not participate in the
`Bologna process'. And even in the [Russia-led] Customs and Eurasian
Unions the morals and manners are not that savage.'