Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

[Vrej1915]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

Guess what, Russian Armenians seem terrorised by the Russian ukaz, not to help Artsakh and Armenia.
Russia's real face comes wide open.
The massaacre of the Avedissian family in Gyumri was in the same line, after all, even if no one was willing to beleive it then....
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12.04.2016 23:32
«Ձեզ չեն հասկանա հայրենիքում». Արթուր Աղաբեկյանը կոչը՝ Ռուսաստանի հայերին

Artur Aghabekyan

Արթուր Աղաբեկյանը դիմում է Ռուսաստանի հայերինՌուսաստանի Դաշնությունում ապրող 2 միլիոն հայեր /Ռուսաստանի բարձրագույն ղեկավարության տվյալներով/, հասկանում եմ, որ չեք ըմբոստանում, չեք խոսում / մանթրաշ եք/, բայց չեմ կարծում, որ ձեզ խանգարում են, ձեր ձեռքը բռնում են ու չեն թողնում, որ դուք մասնակցեց Արցախի կառավարության նախաձեռնությանը: Արցախի կառավարության կոչին Ռուսաստանի Դաշնությունից արձագանքել է դեռ 30 մարդ: Ձեզ չեն հասկանա հայրենիքում,Ռուսաստանում ապրող արցախցիներ՝ ձեզ չեն հասկանում Արցախում:
ԼՂՀ կառավարության կողմից սպառազինության ձեռք բերման համար բացված հատուկ հաշվի համարն է` 22300400153100 (ՌԴ ռուբլի):

Նյութի աղբյուր՝ https://www.facebook.com/aghabekyana...64467730319343

[lampron]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

Guess what, Russian Armenians seem terrorised by the Russian ukaz, not to help Artsakh and Armenia.
Russia's real face comes wide open.
The massaacre of the Avedissian family in Gyumri was in the same line, after all, even if no one was willing to beleive it then....
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12.04.2016 23:32
«Ձեզ չեն հասկանա հայրենիքում». Արթուր Աղաբեկյանը կոչը՝ Ռուսաստանի հայերին

Artur Aghabekyan

Արթուր Աղաբեկյանը դիմում է Ռուսաստանի հայերինՌուսաստանի Դաշնությունում ապրող 2 միլիոն հայեր /Ռուսաստանի բարձրագույն ղեկավարության տվյալներով/, հասկանում եմ, որ չեք ըմբոստանում, չեք խոսում / մանթրաշ եք/, բայց չեմ կարծում, որ ձեզ խանգարում են, ձեր ձեռքը բռնում են ու չեն թողնում, որ դուք մասնակցեց Արցախի կառավարության նախաձեռնությանը: Արցախի կառավարության կոչին Ռուսաստանի Դաշնությունից արձագանքել է դեռ 30 մարդ: Ձեզ չեն հասկանա հայրենիքում,Ռուսաստանում ապրող արցախցիներ՝ ձեզ չեն հասկանում Արցախում:
ԼՂՀ կառավարության կողմից սպառազինության ձեռք բերման համար բացված հատուկ հաշվի համարն է` 22300400153100 (ՌԴ ռուբլի):

Նյութի աղբյուր՝ https://www.facebook.com/aghabekyana...64467730319343

In spite of that, co-operation with Russia is the best policy

If not, the winners will be Erdoghan and Aliyev!

[Vrej1915]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

In spite of that, co-operation with Russia is the best policy

If not, the winners will be Erdoghan and Aliyev!

Ethimologically in the word Co-operation there is CO.....

[Vrej1915]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

12 / Ապրիլ / 2016

ՌԴ-ն հայտնվում է թյուրքական ֆաշիզմի դաշտում. Լ. Շիրինյան

http://lratvakan.am/?p=61328&l=am/rd-n+haytnvum+e+tyurqakan+fashizmi+dashtum+l+shirinyan

[lampron]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

Russia's geopolitical interests are for a healthy Armenia to make sure Turkey stays out of the Caucasus

NATO is interested in a strong Turkey and will be happy to turn Armenia into a Turkish colony. Its aim is to create anti-Russian states along Russia's southern border

Between Greece and Turkey, NATO's leadership has always chosen Turkey even though Greece is also a member

[Vrej1915]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

Russia's geopolitical interests are for a healthy Armenia to make sure Turkey stays out of the Caucasus

Alas, judging from russian bahavior for the last 250-300 years, russians do not share this view.

[arakeretzig]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

Between Greece and Turkey, NATO's leadership has always chosen Turkey even though Greece is also a member

sometimes I think Greece is only in NATO so they wont go to war with Turkey.

Russia's geopolitical interests are for a healthy Armenia to make sure Turkey stays out of the Caucasus

more like an Armenia under their thumb which they can do with as they wish. But hey at least we have an Armenia right?

[Artsakh]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

sometimes I think Greece is only in NATO so they wont go to war with Turkey.

Bolshevik-provided arms were instrumental in turning the tide against Western powers in the early 20's and pushing Greece out of the western parts of what is today Turkey. So though not officially NATO, Greece was with the West from the start. Turkey later turned its back on Russia, and the West embraced it as a buffer against the soviet union. The only reason turkey was accepted as a nato member was that.

[Artsakh]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

Bolshevik-provided arms were instrumental in turning the tide against Western powers in the early 20's and pushing Greece out of the western parts of what is today Turkey. So though not officially NATO, Greece was with the West from the start. Turkey later turned its back on Russia, and the West embraced it as a buffer against the soviet union. The only reason turkey was accepted as a nato member was that.

Treaty of Moscow, (March 16, 1921), pact concluded at Moscow between the nationalist government of Turkey and the Soviet Union that fixed Turkey’s northeastern frontier and established friendly relations between the two nations.

With the advent of the Russian Revolution (October 1917), Russia withdrew from World War I and ceased hostilities against the Ottoman Empire. The new Soviet regime found itself allied against the West with the Turkish nationalists, who were fighting against both Western domination and the Ottoman government that had capitulated to the Western Allies. Diplomatic relations between the nationalists and the Soviets began in August 1920 and led to the Treaty of Moscow, which settled border disputes by giving Kars and Ardahan to Turkey and Batumi to Russia and by which the Soviets recognized the nationalist leadership under Mustafa Kemal (later styled Kemal Atatürk) as the only government in Turkey. As a result of the treaty, the Soviets supplied the nationalists with weapons and ammunition, which the Turks used successfully in a war against Greece in 1921–22.

Source: Britannica

http://www.britannica.com/event/Treaty-of-Moscow-1921

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An interesting question to think about is why the Turks would willingly and voluntarily trade the strategic port of batum with Russia, for mount Ararat, which has no strategic significance whatsoever (and only sentimental value for us)? that question will give the reader some food for thought as to the strategic foresight of the Turks and their dirty politics, and their long term ambitions. Hint: it's all about taking a step closer to Azerbaijan.

[lampron]

Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

Bolshevik-provided arms were instrumental in turning the tide against Western powers in the early 20's and pushing Greece out of the western parts of what is today Turkey. So though not officially NATO, Greece was with the West from the start. Turkey later turned its back on Russia, and the West embraced it as a buffer against the soviet union. The only reason turkey was accepted as a nato member was that.

Kemal pretended to be anti-Western in order to get soviet Russia on its side
But in early 1920 France was already pro-Kemal when it allowed the massacres of Armenians in Kilikya (after promising an Armenian state on the Mediterranean), in front of their own French troops!
Great Britain, which was pro-Greek in the beginning of the Greek-Turkish war, stopped loaning money to the Greek army because it also began to support Kemal
Wiki....

Shift of support towards Turkish Revolutionaries[edit]
Main article: Conference of London
See also: Treaty of Alexandropol, Treaty of Ankara (1921) and Treaty of Moscow (1921)
By this time all other fronts had been settled in favour of the Turks,[citation needed] freeing more resources to focus on the main threat of the Greek Army. The French and the Italians concluded private agreements with the Turkish revolutionaries in recognition of their mounting strength.[52] Turkish revolutionaries bought equipment from Italy and France, who threw in their lot with the Turkish revolutionaries against Greece which was seen as a British client. The Italians used their base in Antalya to assist, especially from the point of view of intelligence, the Turkish revolutionaries against the Greeks.[53][unreliable source?] There emerged a friendly relationship between the Bolshevik Russian SFSR and the Turkish Revolutionaries, which was solidified under Treaty of Moscow in March 1921. The RSFSR supported Mustafa Kemal and his forces with money and ammunition

Stalemate (September 1921 – August 1922)[edit]

Main article: Conference of London § Second stage


Having failed to reach a military solution, Greece appealed to the Allies for help, but early in 1922 Britain, France and Italy decided that the Treaty of Sèvres could not be enforced and had to be revised. In accordance with this decision, under successive treaties, the Italian and French troops evacuated their positions, leaving the Greeks exposed.

In March 1922, the Allies proposed an armistice. Feeling that he now held the strategic advantage, Mustafa Kemal declined any settlement while the Greeks remained in Anatolia and intensified his efforts to re-organise the Turkish military for the final offensive against the Greeks. At the same time, the Greeks strengthened their defensive positions, but were increasingly demoralised by the inactivity of remaining on the defensive and the prolongation of the war. The Greek government was desperate to get some military support by the British or at least secure a loan, so it developed an ill-thought plan to force diplomatically the British, by threatening their positions in Constantinople, but this never materialised.