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no id just shoot myself and the turk parent. haha. by the way thank you for the compliment dstyle jan.
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Well, with a statement like that, i guess you really have won the argument...Originally posted by TigranJamharian no id just shoot myself and the turk parent. haha. by the way thank you for the compliment dstyle jan.
..Looks like i have to wait for Anon to get something interesting to reply too...Comment
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yeah you wouldnt understand. thankfully we dont have too many fools like you in the Armenian community.Comment
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To my knowledge, I have never said anything about socialism, which is actually off-topic, though it always seems on-topic to you.Originally posted by Shahumyan -Well look at any capitalist nation, and you will find not all kids go to school because of fees. Not the case in socialism where everyone has the right to free education.
-People are denied work, because the system does not provide jobs. Instead, labour is a resource which is turned on and off by the capitalists. Not so in socialism where the workers organise jobs for themselves democratically, and the wage you get is that of what labour you put in minus what goes to the state which is democratically controlled by the workers
- This weekend nonsence, this doesnt happen under capitalism due to more pressure from work, and capitalists squeezing the workers. There used to be a time when shops in Europe were closed on Sundays, but not now, and people are forced to work to make the capitalists more profit.
-As for training to attack Azeris, this wouldnt be the case, beacuse a) its defencive, b) a revolutionary army would be used to smash the Azeri ruling class (along with agitation inside azeri workers by azeri communists) and unite both working classes
- i find it insulting that you find my ideas a fantasy, when your idea of a nice capitalism have and are being proven incorrect this very second.
- Remind me which NGO gives you the statistics that crime rates in the army have decreased
- Care for the officer, yes, hes a loss to humanity, as a human being, but thats it, i dont care any more than that. Please remind me which tool of the state was hacking down on Armenian protestors last year after the election?
- Is this why Azeri SSR GAVE Kharabagh to Armenia but Armenia refused?
- Where is your evidence of the Azeri nation wanting pan-turkism?
The only people who stir this xxxx up is the Azeri ruling class, you know why? so the armenian worker (people like you) and the azeri worker deecrease their class consiousness and see each other as the enemy instead of the ruling class which exploits them.
There are many traits of socialism which I agree with, such as the right to have free education, among others. That has nothing to do with the Azeri working class loving us all of a sudden.
I simply LOVE the way you turn what people say around. I said "not training for an attack by the azeris" and you said "As for training to attack Azeris". Wow...let's at least be honest in what other people are saying. And you're saying these kids and women and farmers would not need to learn how to use a gun? They would just know what to do in the spur of the moment, like in a happy movie? Come on....
I can't believe you actually defended Azerbaidjan's intentions about Artsakh. I'm guessing you would be the next Boris Kevorkov. Narimanov NEVER EVER supported Artsakh's rightful return to Armenia, and even made threats such as cutting off Armenia's oil supply in the event it happened. The "offer" was just some fabrication to entice Armenia to let go of the Dashnaks, and join the Commies. Fact is, in the USSR, Azerbaidjan was slowly but very surely leading a campaign to empty Artsakh of Armenians. Read Christopher Walker's "Armenia and Karabakh".
ARMENIANS AND AZERIS LIVING IN TOTAL PEACE AND LOVE IS A FANTASY!!! How do you see it changing? It's not going to happen under today's government, and even when the azeri workers take to the streets to protest against this government, they're supporting Musavat, that is actually named after the same Musavat that waged war on Armenians in Artsakh before the USSR, and followed Turkey's Pan-Turkist views.
As I said, some aspects of socialism WITHIN ARMENIA AND ARMENIA ALONE apeal to me (the education example yet again), but the whole idea of a world revolution and workers holding hands is just some utopic fantasy.Comment
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Such words as fantasy are not very scientific and repeated use gets slightly tedius.
On the point of training, my point was they would be training for defense, not as you suggested for attack.
The Azeri workign class doesnt love us because Azeri ruling class wont let them, and agitate agasint this.
Azeris and Armenians will never live peacefully under capitalist society. I agree, so what?
Your against socialsim, but you dont defend capitalism? i yet you call me the ideealist and dream of fantasies...
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I'm a believer that a mix of both is what is necessary. Kind of like here in Quebec, with modifications.Originally posted by Shahumyan Such words as fantasy are not very scientific and repeated use gets slightly tedius.
On the point of training, my point was they would be training for defense, not as you suggested for attack.
The Azeri workign class doesnt love us because Azeri ruling class wont let them, and agitate agasint this.
Azeris and Armenians will never live peacefully under capitalist society. I agree, so what?
Your against socialsim, but you dont defend capitalism? i yet you call me the ideealist and dream of fantasies...
And even when the Azeri ruling class was comprised of good ole communists, we were still hated.
And once again, you take what I said, deform it, and use it over and over again. Read what I wrote CAREFULLY. I said that the training would be in order to prevent an azeri attack. And I thought you said no training would be necessary? And once again, who would provide the tanks? Who would know how to use tanks if there is no army?Comment
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"I'm a believer that a mix of both is what is necessary. Kind of like here in Quebec, with modifications."
-Thats neither socialism, nor capitalism, thats bollxxxxs
"And even when the Azeri ruling class was comprised of good ole communists, we were still hated."
Communists are internationalists, how could they be communists and hate armeians? no logic in your statement
however you could be in the CP and not a communist
"And once again, you take what I said, deform it, and use it over and over again. Read what I wrote CAREFULLY. I said that the training would be in order to prevent an azeri attack. And I thought you said no training would be necessary? And once again, who would provide the tanks? Who would know how to use tanks"
So what if training is needed to prevent attacks?
Tanks could be bought or made, and im sure they can pay someone to teach how to use the xxxxing tanks, especially if they bought them....Comment
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Point iiiis, Marx wrote his ideas based on what he saw in his area. You can't take that and apply it anywhere. Every country should be run based on its own needs, not some already-made, one-size-fits-all formula (which so far, has faaaaailed miserably).Originally posted by Shahumyan
-Thats neither socialism, nor capitalism, thats bollxxxxs
Communists are internationalists, how could they be communists and hate armeians? no logic in your statement
however you could be in the CP and not a communist
So what if training is needed to prevent attacks?
Tanks could be bought or made, and im sure they can pay someone to teach how to use the xxxxing tanks, especially if they bought them....
About the Azeri communists. My point exactly. Closest thing we've seen to azeri communists still hated Armenians.
What if training is needed? I want our teenagers to spend their time learning and having fun. Not fearing for their lives every second and learning how to shoot people.
And I guess the tanks would be manipulated by a specialized group of people who would know how to operate it, right? Kinda like an army, right?Comment
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Armenian Officer Axed By Azeri Colleague
AZG Armenian Daily #029 - 20/02/2004
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Partnership for Peace not for Azerbaijan?
The news received yesterday noon from Budapest shocked the
Armenian society. At around 5.30 AM February 19 Armenian
Lieutenant Gurgen Margarian, 26, who was studying English at the
National Military Academy of Hungary in Budapest within the
scope of the NATO-funded Partnership for Peace Program was
brutally killed by axe in his sleep by a Senior Lieutenant of
Azerbaijani armed forces Ramil Safarov, who was also
participating in the language training course.
The Azeri officer also attempted to kill another Armenian
Lieutenant, but failed. After Safarov broke the door to the room
of Gurgen Margarian and killed him, he tried to break into the
quarters of another Armenian officer, but the noise woke up
other officers, this preventing Safarov to kill then second man.
Immediately the Hungarian police was called, which arrived and
detained the Azeri officer. Talking to daily Azg on phone, the
Armenian ambassador to Austria Jivan Tabibian said that the
police had difficulty when arresting the Azeri. Tabibian also
informed that they had already negotiated with the Hungarian
defense ministry and are awaiting the report of the local
police. Armenian ambassador to Brussels Vigen Cgitechian, who
represents Armenian interests in NATO, has departed to the NATO
headquarters to discuss the incident with the organization's
leadership.
The statement released today by Armenian defense ministry
described the brutal murder as the outcome of the intensified
war rhetoric by Azerbaijan and its policy of instilling hatred
towards Armenians. The statement of the Armenian foreign
ministry commenting on the incident read that a recent decision
by Azerbaijani authorities to ban participation of an Armenian
military delegation in a NATO conference in Baku was another
manifestation of that country's fanatic and extreme policy,
which has transformed into a tragic display in Budapest exposing
the true nature of Azerbaijan's militant policy. The Armenian
foreign ministry fervently condemned the cruel deed hoping that
the international community will respond to the incident and
will give an appropriate assessment of the crime. The foreign
ministry also called on the Hungarian authorities to punish the
criminal with all the severity of the law.
Late on February 19 the Azeri Echo newspaper reported about the
response of Azeri authorities to the incident. According to
Echo, Azeri foreign minister Vilayat Guliyev told ANS TV channel
that the information about the Azeri officer killing an Armenia
officer is still being investigated. Guliyev said that competent
Azeri diplomats in Hungary have been assigned to look into the
matter.
Spokesperson for Azeri defense ministry Ramiz Melikov told the
country's state TV that the Azeri officer came from Jebrail
region of Azerbaijan, and that his kinfolk have been killed
during the Karabakh war. Melikov remarked that this fact could
negatively affect the psychological condition of Lieutenant Safarov.
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It's a shame that Turkic nationalism is still pervasive and the dominant ideology in that area.
Nationalism, ever since its inception, has brought more harm than good.Achkerov kute.Comment
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