The Future of Armenia and Armenians

[Anonymouse]

The only degredation of our nation that i see is that right now the Armenian nation is at a turning point and our nation is in turmoil and people would rather talk about the shawshank redemption or "the only thing that counts is your post count" rather than try to follow what is going on in their nation and express their ideas about it.

I mean i come here after reading the latest news about police attacking demonstrators, hoping to find some other people that might actually give a xxxx and have some sort of a discussion and sharing of ideas about what is going on but to no avail.

Hey, listen nerfbrain if you do not know what you're talking about don't bother posting. The forum is a place for many topics and if you can't fathom that, then leave. No one asked you to like it, but don't whine. If I didn't care I wouldn't be here posting this topic for you to ruin the thread.

As for the rest of you, you seem oblivious to the reality of the situation, such as Tigran or Inna. You seem to think as if its "a okay", clinging to that abused excuse "we have survived for thousands of years". Please, let's drop such silly nonsense. The fact is you cannot compare the past to the present, because they are totally different times and circumstances. No time in the history of the Armenian people have they been as spread out and thin, as now in this time. Before stating your opinions it would be wise to know a little about statistics, demographics, some basic history, some ethnography, some economics, and how demographic changes mean more than they are meant to mean.

[Anonymouse]

You people are discussing the degredation of Armenian youth, and I feel when people do not care about the welfare of Armenia and what is going on over there right now that is a degredation of the youth. And it is not politics. It is fraudulant elections and it is violations of people's constitutional rights. I am sure if it was something with Bush and topics like this people would be flying off their seats trying to put in their views, but when something is going on in dear old Armenia ...

You're ruining the thread, please stop whining. We are discussing the overall condition of Armenians as a people, and for an "optimist" you're whining sure is contradictory. I as a "pessimist" am not as frustrated as you. Now gather yourself together and contribute something intelligent.

[TJ]

Explain how this is ruining the thread? what gets you so hostile. When in fact what i am writing is right on track and is exactly the degredation of our society. Id rather have half the Armenians in the world not able to read or write Armenian rather than have half of them not give a xxxx about the Armenian state.

Sit here talking about your inconsequential bullxxxx about whether or not in a hundred more years there will be as many literate Armenians in the world, when right under your damn eyes Armenia is in revolution and people are being beaten in the streets and journalists camera's smashed and mr schnazzy guy sits here insulting me because i give a damn and because he seems to thnk that what he is talking about is more important.

Well F uck you too!
im seriously pissed at people like you

[Anonymouse]

Oh no, the nerfbrain is getting frustrated even more. To be honest, I don't like you much either, and it's because of your ignorance. You keep whining, yet yourself are not educating yourself. You remain in the dark hole. I can't remember where there was one solid piece of argument you brought that had some gist of reality and evidence to it, aside from your emotional appeal to your ignorance.

[Darorinag]

The only degredation of our nation that i see is that right now the Armenian nation is at a turning point and our nation is in turmoil and people would rather talk about the shawshank redemption or "the only thing that counts is your post count" rather than try to follow what is going on in their nation and express their ideas about it.

I mean i come here after reading the latest news about police attacking demonstrators, hoping to find some other people that might actually give a xxxx and have some sort of a discussion and sharing of ideas about what is going on but to no avail.

Hey Tigran, have you checked out the Armenian cafe?

The reason I don't post much about the situation in Armenia is that:

1) I haven't been there as an adult.
2) I don't know much about the political situation.

So I leave it to those who know about it to post. I do participate if I have something to say. There's nothing to be angry about, Tigran. A lot of people are not interested in politics and aren't up-to-date with what's going on in Armenia. Don't blame them for it. I don't think following the politics of one's own nation should be a necessity for all Armenians.

[TJ]

yes please continue posting the same crap you have been saying since i signed on to this damn forum and continue ignoring what i write. you simply like to say what you say and then simply disregard everyone else and come back with some unconnected crap while trying to make it look like you actually responded. if you have nothing to say and cannot prove me wrong then you simply decide you can go around it by calling me stupid and unneducated and my arguments senseless. you resort to insulting people by calling them things like nerfbrain. i think you demonstrated perfectly what kind of a person you are and i wont label you. let everyone else form their own opinions. au revoir little mouse.

[Darorinag]

You people are discussing the degredation of Armenian youth, and I feel when people do not care about the welfare of Armenia and what is going on over there right now that is a degredation of the youth. And it is not politics. It is fraudulant elections and it is violations of people's constitutional rights. I am sure if it was something with Bush and topics like this people would be flying off their seats trying to put in their views, but when something is going on in dear old Armenia ...

Tigran, I think this thread was dealing with the diasporan youth rather than the situation in Armenia.

And Baron, what you said about the diaspora not seeming to care about what's going on in Armenia, the opposite would also be true, no?

Besides, Tigran, just because there seem to be problems in Armenia doesn't mean one should only talk about that and not talk about world politics at all.

[TJ]

Tigran, I think this thread was dealing with the diasporan youth rather than the situation in Armenia.

And Baron, what you said about the diaspora not seeming to care about what's going on in Armenia, the opposite would also be true, no?

Besides, Tigran, just because there seem to be problems in Armenia doesn't mean one should only talk about that and not talk about world politics at all.

yes it was. and i am trying to say that the diasporan youth does not seem to be concerned with the situation in Armenia.

people in Armenia have more worries than to care about the diaspora. besides, what can they do. they have no money over there and are struggling to survive and make Armenia a better place. what can they do by caring about the diaspora? would you like someone from Armenia to sponsor you or something and get a little card every month with a picture of you and a messege you write them? cmon man.

i never said we should only talk about that. all i said was we should talk about that. it seems weird when we all call ourselves Armenians but Armenia's affairs do not concern us. yes feel free to talk about world politics i love to talk about world politics myself it is interesting. but anytime there is a post in the politics thread about current events in Armenia it seems that the only people posting and responding are baron, me and occasionally dstyle.

[Darorinag]

people in Armenia have more worries than to care about the diaspora. besides, what can they do. they have no money over there and are struggling to survive and make Armenia a better place. what can they do by caring about the diaspora? would you like someone from Armenia to sponsor you or something and get a little card every month with a picture of you and a messege you write them? cmon man.

OK, you have a point there, but the diaspora IMO is the source of hope for Armenia, and we can't help them if OUR situation is as bad as was mentioned (in USA, especially in Cali, where most Armenians are).

i never said we should only talk about that. all i said was we should talk about that. it seems weird when we all call ourselves Armenians but Armenia's affairs do not concern us. yes feel free to talk about world politics i love to talk about world politics myself it is interesting. but anytime there is a post in the politics thread about current events it seems that the only people posting and responding are baron, me and occasionally dstyle.

Well, like I said, not everyone is interested in politics and not everyone is up to date with Armenian politics particularly because there aren't as many news sources from Armenia as there are for world politics. In order to take part in such a discussion, I would need to catch up on lots of background. Anyway, I agree that Armenian politics is not talked about on this forum much and that is one aspect that needs improvement, but I don't see why there is a problem in this thread.

[xBaron Dants]

Well, this thread seems to be the perfect example as to why the Armenian diaspora is doomed. Here we are, the only people who care enough to actually join a forum where we can talk with other Armenians...and even among us, we resort to petty name-calling and nagging and whining.

The reason why we are doomed is because our priorities are screwed up, if not non-existant. The "elite" of our community find it their number one priority to open a new arachnortaran, as the other one is related to the "other" Armenians. Our school principals and "hokapartsoo"s seem to be more pre-occupied with whatever stupid prestige they have, instead of the future generation of Armenians, and our goosagtsagan leaders also seem more pre-occupied with their endless atorakriv, and the amounts of money they can accumulate, and how many politicians' hands they can shake.

In all of this, the education and preparation of our future generations are almost forgotten, and seem to exist only in order to justify the actions of our adenabeds and hokapartsoos and gomidés. No real effort is put in it, and the kids grow sick of it, which inevitably leads to a detachment from "Armenianness", and from Armenia. It is NOT the fault of the "armo thugs" and "armo pimps" and "armo pimpettes". It is the fault of the generation that preceded them that found it a lot easier to put them in front of MTV 24/7, instead of sharing the culture that was past on to them.

The point that Tigran was trying to raise, or at least what I gathered from it, is that we are indeed doomed as even on a day where such ugly events took place in the streets of Yerevan in our very own land, at the hands of our very "own" government...not too many people seem to care. For those of you posting in this thread, it was not (once again, in my opinion) meant to be an insult, as the very fact that you read his opinions in the forum entitled "Armenian politics" shows that you care. Although in general, I see no use in even trying to disprove the fact that today's youth is oblivious towards what is happening in Armenia...and this is not a result, as Dan said, of a lack of sources. I don't buy that argument. I can name you at least 10 armenian news sites off the top of my head right now. And even if somebody doesn't know the websites by heart, it's not really that hard to go on google or yahoo and search "armenian news".

Dan, what can I say? Armenians in Armenia are in no situation to offer us any assistance, and we don't really need any assistance. But trust me, they DO care. Many told me that they were afraid that all those Armenians in LA and Canada, yevayln, risk losing their identity, and they should all move back as we are all brothers and sisters, yevayln.

It is also very true that diasporans disregard the state of the Diaspora at times. The education of arevmdahayeren, our educational institutions (such as Melkonyan) are disregarded. I attribute that to the lack of priorities which I mentioned above. However, strengthening Armenia UNDOUBTEDLY stregthens the Diaspora. Armenia should be a sort of headquarters for the entire Armenian Diaspora, the roots that will eventually nurture the branches.

Yet here we are, in one of our more serious conversations on a topic of utmost significance, calling each other nerfbrains and idiots. I guess I'm supposed to delete most of the posts in this thread, but the senseless babbling is just too relevant to the topic of our potential disappearance.

Pardon me if my thoughts aren't too clear. I am not in the best of moods right now.