Thoughts on Tashnagtsootyoon...

[A.R.]

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No offense to anyone, I'm sure most of you will take offense but oh well. If the ARF wanted too take over Armenia it would have already been done.
We'll leave our being Armenian to the Ramgavars arrrr the AGBU, then most of us would be talking Turkish instead of Armenian.




AR
Good point, dstyle...

[xBaron Dants]

umm, first off, nobody could leave the fate of Armenia politically in the hands of the AGBU, because the AGBU's not a political party. Here's an intereting tidbit: Zoravar Antranig's godfather at his wedding was none other than Boghos Nubar Pasha....founder of the AGBU. So to say that the AGBU's priorities would lead to a Turkish-speaking Armenia is sheer idiocy. Same goes for the Ramkavars, or the Hnchakians. They also fought the Ottoman Empire.

The tri-coloured flag is the flag of the first Republic. Not the flag of Khatissian and ten other people. The type of rah rah holier than thou attitude that you're just displaying is the reason why we're still not getting anywhere.

And ummm, the Dashnaks could take over Armenia if they wanted to? Well, they formed the first circumstancial government in 1918...weren't able to keep that. Tried to take it over around 1994, got thrown in jail....so yea, I'm not really following there. g'nite!

[xBaron Dants]

Ooh, and here's an interesting bedtime story I just heard today. (fake names will be used)

Today, at an AGBU scouting joghov with 3 other leaders, I brought the point of doing something with the HMEM scouts. Everyone was for it, but one person said: "well, we just have to hope that they don't think we're the ennemies or anything."
I asked: what do you mean?
She said: Well, you know Hagop, one of our kayligs?
I said: yes
she said: well, his 12 year-old brother Sevag is a scout at HMEM, and 2 weeks ago, when the AGBU showed that documentary about Khachaturian, they came to watch it with the whole family.
I said: so?
She said: Well, my mom went to say hi to them, and Sevag wouldn't even answer. His mom said that he hates AGBU, because the AGBU are the ennemies for him. And during the whole video, he was angry, and just asked to leave the whooole time.



So yea, that's some good training going on there. While we're ripping our a$$es trying to do something together, they're brainwashing their kids to HATE us? Hooray! This can ONLY have positive impacts for Armenians right?

.......and a siiiiiiiiiigh yet again......

[A.R.]

So yea, that's some good training going on there. While we're ripping our a$$es trying to do something together, they're brainwashing their kids to HATE us? Hooray! This can ONLY have positive impacts for Armenians right?



AR
It is you who is full of hate, just reading your first post I can feel your hatred toward Dashnaks... YOU are raised with hate toward Dashnaks... You hate Dashnaks but it`s all good kid... Look in the mirror before you point your finger self proclamied "Tashnag Basher"... Their is no "together" as long as you have that "bitter taste" in your mouth toward Dashnaks handed down from generation to generation, got it?




umm, first off, nobody could leave the fate of Armenia politically in the hands of the AGBU, because the AGBU's not a political party.


AR
AGBU is RUN by a political party, the Ramkavars...




The tri-coloured flag is the flag of the first Republic. Not the flag of Khatissian and ten other people. The type of rah rah holier than thou attitude that you're just displaying is the reason why we're still not getting anywhere.



AR
The Tri Color has always been the colors of Dashnaktsutiun before
and after Armenian independence but you can go ahead and
kidd yourself into thinking otherwise if it makes you feel better....





And ummm, the Dashnaks could take over Armenia if they wanted to? Well, they formed the first circumstancial government in 1918...weren't able to keep that. Tried to take it over around 1994, got thrown in jail....so yea, I'm not really following there. g'nite!


AR
Spazzing again... Thrown in jail by TRAITORS...
Those day are gone forever kid...



Today, at an AGBU scouting joghov with 3 other leaders, I brought the point of doing something with the HMEM scouts. Everyone was for it, but one person said: "well, we just have to hope that they don't think we're the ennemies or anything."
I asked: what do you mean?
She said: Well, you know Hagop, one of our kayligs?
I said: yes
she said: well, his 12 year-old brother Sevag is a scout at HMEM, and 2 weeks ago, when the AGBU showed that documentary about Khachaturian, they came to watch it with the whole family.
I said: so?
She said: Well, my mom went to say hi to them, and Sevag wouldn't even answer. His mom said that he hates AGBU, because the AGBU are the ennemies for him. And during the whole video, he was angry, and just asked to leave the whooole time.



AR
What are you saying? Jibberish... Next time think before you call yourself
a "Tashnag Basher" go to Artsakh and tell them you are a "Tashnag basher"
and they will spit in your face...





.......and a siiiiiiiiiigh yet again......



AR
"siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh" till you turn blue in the face....

[A.R.]

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She said: Well, my mom went to say hi to them, and Sevag wouldn't even answer. His mom said that he hates AGBU, because the AGBU are the ennemies for him. And during the whole video, he was angry, and just asked to leave the whooole time.



AR
Sure we believe a self proclaimed "Tashnag Basher" [not]
They are guilty yet they accuse!

[A.R.]

PRELACY CHURCHES BLESS THE TRICOLORS
ON THE OCCASION OF MAY 28TH ANNIVERSARY
The parishes of the Eastern Prelacy performed a special Blessing of the
Flag ceremony last Sunday, May 30, on the occasion of the 86th anniversary
of the first Armenian Republic, which was proclaimed on May 28, 1918.
The ceremony, in most parishes, took place with the participation of the
HMEM scouts.


"Bless, O Lord, this [Tri Color] flag in order that as the rainbow-which shone in the
skies over Mt. Ararat after the deluge-became the sign of your eternal
covenant with man, likewise, this flag, after the huge floods of our blood,
becomes the symbol of our indissoluble covenant with you. . Bless, O Lord,
our homeland, where you first established the paradise of happiness, which
was then for long centuries reduced to a place of ruins by our impious
enemies. Let the fountains flow again for the enjoyment of all. . Sanctify
our churches and monasteries, seminaries and schools in Armenia (as well as
in the Armenian Diaspora) and fortify their frontiers with your protection
against the assaults of enemies. Bless, O Lord, all that is good in our
country, first and foremost her name, Armenia."

From the Prayer of Thanksgiving for the Republic of Armenia, prepared in
1920 by Archbishop Torkom Koushagian in Cairo, Egypt.

[dstyle]

Seriously Baron AR is right, you talk about people spewing hate but this all started from you. About the Turkish link and AGBU, just like you have your stories from Montreal, I have my stories from LA, so don't tell me I'm wrong without seeing what I have.
About 1994. Your xxxxing kidding me right. I can't even begin too explain on how many levels what you said was wrong. Your hate spewing is amazing, especially that you claim that your not.

[xBaron Dants]

I have said many, many times that what I say is based on what I see in Montreal, and it can be very different other places. I'm not spewing anything...I do this for the sake of raising a few issues that we might have as a people, and of which we can never speak of it seems, yet it all turns personal in the end. It's all fine and dandy to say "let's accept that we do things differently, and let's work together" but that has never happened, and at least where I live, the trend is getting worse and worse.
I might come off as a hate spewer off the net, and I apologize for that. If you knew me as a person, you'd see who I really am. and what my intentions are.

Also, the Tashnagtsootyoon IS a political party just like the Republicans and the Dems are questioned in the States, the Labour Party in Britain, etc...
. We have a responsibility, if you will, to question it, because we know what a political party which we can't question can turn out to be.
Anyways, last post on my part in this thread.

[A.R.]

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Lies And The Liars Who Tell Them...

Parade of falsifications or Yeghia Nacharian-2

By Sargis Barseghian

Recently, the Azg [Ramkavar] daily published a review on Stepan Poghosian’s book ''Looking Back for the Sake of today and Tomorrow''. The author of the review considers the book exclusive. The exclusiveness is explained in the following way: ''It is a study on the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, a new look at the history of the ARF''.

First of all we would like to note that it is certainly not a study on ARF, but more of a comprehensive gossip, full of false historical events, falsification and slander.

Considering this kind of ''look'' at the history of the ARF as something new is already another falsification, since there have always been a lot of ARF history falsifiers. Ideologists of both Sultan, and Tsar, and Bolsheviks, and administration of the Armenian National Movement (ANM) throughout 113 years have aimed at that. Both foreign, and local falsifiers have been guided by the same reason, hatred towards powers carrying national values and pursuing national interests.

In this particular case of Poghosian’s ''book'' there is another, additional or, frankly saying, a more basic motivation for this kind of slander. It is about a serious sum that Mr. Poghosian received on the eve of parliamentary elections for publishing a ''book'' falsifying the history of ARF.

This explains not only the great number of published samples of the book, but also why it is freely distributed in scientific, educational institutions and even among soldiers. Some of the author’s past activities determine the impartiality and ''researchers'' interest.

In Soviet times this very Poghosian, being ruthless defender of communist regime and ideology, never felt embarrassed to mix historical facts and to report to authorities about people diverged from Soviet ideology. In 1991, during the notorious coup against Gorbachev, this very ruthless defender sent to Moscow a list of people, who, as he believed, must be immediately isolated for the sake of preserving Soviet authority in Armenia.

Members of the Karabakh Committee, its active supporters and active representatives of Armenian intelligentsia were in the list. After collapse of Soviet Union this'' historian with solid principles'' started seeking a new roof. He even applied for membership in ARF several times.

It is not worth while speaking about other human'' traits'' of this individual, since they do not directly concern this topic. However, we find worth mentioning that only a man with these ''traits'' could carry out this kind of order. Doubtlessly, there were, are and will be individuals and forces, whose political or other interests will spur them to hire writers for slandering their political or ideological adversaries.

Generally it is clear. It is also clear that on present conditions there are lots of people serving different political and other orders. But it is noteworthy that not a single real historian, real scientist took such steps. It was only done by a person, who had a long history of such activity.

As the well-known movie character would say: all ways of making money are acceptable, if it is not forbidden by law.

However, everybody should agree judging phenomena issuing from one’s own political and ideological principles that is one thing, but if somebody’s principles encourage him to slander and fake up reality: that is a different thing,. And wearing the mask of a scientist to carry out political orders of others by faking up reality is an absolutely different thing.

http://www.yerkir.am/eng/index.php?sub=newspaper_arm&exp=policy&month=09&year=2003&number=19&id=2698

[hyedgha15]

I know im late on postin for about a year but, the only reason i support the tashnag party so much is because this: the other parties dont even recognize may 28 as the independence day of armenia, when all those brave soldiers gave their lives for something they believe in. Second, when the diaspora movement began, it was the tashnag party that gave a damn about the hay azk, that kept the armenian flag, when all the other parties would spit on it, who kept the armenian national anthem the way it was meant to be, the tashnag party started what was known as zenial baykar, when all the other parties wouldnt do sh!t these incredible people kept the armenian spirit alive by means of terrorism, yes terrorism, but what you might look at as terrorism i look at as patriotism, Hampig Sassounian, Lisbon 5, LA 5. Where are the other parties, some of them wouldnt even commemorate the armenian genocide on april 24 untill the late 50's. Im not saying the other parties are wrong, but everone always puts the guilt on the tashnag party. They send their kids to AYF, they have them join scouts, play sports in homenetmen and yet they degrade the Ho He Tah name every chance they get. The tashnagtsootyoon is 115 years old, and will continue to get older, and as the song goes..."Amenknal eezoor anchan, gah geh mena tashnagtsootyoon!"