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  • #71
    Speaking of opening churches...it's disgusting (well, not that surprising, but still a shame) how they have merged religion and politics, and how billions of catholics are able to have one pope, and we are stuck with two gatoghigos-s.. I know it's a good source of income, but come on...set your priorities people..

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    • #72
      Originally posted by Red Brigade
      that clown is the reason that the Soviets supported economically Kemal and as a result they won against Armenia and we lost Van.Although Dashank's diplomatic stupidity played a role as well.
      The Soviets supported Kemal and the nationalists because in doing so they percieved that they were combating the British and British Imperial ambitions and because Ataturk convinced them that he was a socialist fighting against Imperialism. He duped them well. I seriously doubt that much of anything concerning the Armenians weighed into their decisions - Armenians were pretty much a non factor.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by winoman
        The Soviets supported Kemal and the nationalists because in doing so they percieved that they were combating the British and British Imperial ambitions and because Ataturk convinced them that he was a socialist fighting against Imperialism. He duped them well.
        At the time that the Turks were asking the economic aid of the Soviets, Lenin was at his last days.


        I have read a diary of a Turkish diplomat during the WWI (translated to Armenian) who went to the Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs (Chichev i think ) , in order to convince the Russians that the Turks are fighting against the Imperialists and they need the aid of the Soviets.Chichev told him ''ok we shall help you but you must give Van to Armenia first''.
        The Turkish diplomat tried hard to convince Chichev , but he was adamant and he didn't changed his opinion.They left Chichev's office in order to meet Stalin for a last attempt.Stalin told him''you can take anything you want , tell Chichev this is my order''.Chichev didn't had any option but to help them because of Stalin.

        True or false i can't be sure.I will try to post you soon the author of the book.



        I seriously doubt that much of anything concerning the Armenians weighed into their decisions - Armenians were pretty much a non factor.
        Soviet Union demanded from Armenia ( and not only) to sign a treaty that : Armenia wouldn't let the Imperialist forces of England,France etc to use Armenia in order to attack Soviet Union.The Armenian politicians it seems thought that the Bolsheviks were just a temporary weak government and they prefered to stick with the Westerners and that costed us fataly.If it wasnt Dashank's stupidity to stick with the English, the Soviets would have helped us ,or at least not have helped the Turks, since we had the best trained Army of Transcaucasia.

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        • #74
          If it wasnt for the Tashnags stupidity u say... if we dont join forces with the british there would be no more Hayastan to protect, Russia cared nothing for Armenia, if they did care anything they would not have handed Gharapagh to the Azeris later on, all Russia wanted to do was get close to turkey to spy on them, this is why during the Cuban missle crisis Russia had poured some of its army on the border of Armenia and turkey. Do you really think the earthquake of 88 was natural, do you know how many ex-KGB agents and old politicians who left Russia have spoken out that so many times that when the Chechens back then wanted liberation of their own that Gorbachov would stand up point with his finger and say, know your limits after all remember what happened to the Armenians in 88. And Baron Dants, when the going back to Armenia movement took its toll, most of the political parties in the middle east especially Lebanon, convinced the people to go, and when they went they took all their homes and their businesses, how is that for eating the peoples money... it makes me so mad that you guys would rather outway the good and just concentrate on the bad, you want to talk about how opening churches is disgusting, and by the sounds of it you dont know much about it cause we have 3 different churches, we have the armenian church, antilias church, and a holy see in Jerusalem which is headed by a patriarch. If it was not for the Genocide we would still only have one church...but after all that happened and during times of communism, there was no choice to make another see which they did, and dont give any bs excuse how the antilias church is run by politics from the dashnak party, the armenian church that i serve in is run by hnchaks, and most of Agbu and the Ramgavars run the other churches.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by hyedgha15
            Russia cared nothing for Armenia
            It wasn't Russia it was Soviet Union.Difference.

            if they did care anything they would not have handed Gharapagh to the Azeris later on
            Another act done by that ''genius'' called Stalin.That was done for strategic reasons in order to control the populations and to not be easy for the countries to declare ''independence'',by joining to the ranks of the Imperialist Capitalists .It was not done only to Armenia, so don't have the impression that those actions happened because they were ''anti-armenian''.

            all Russia wanted to do was get close to turkey
            First of all its not Russia , its Soviet Union.Second Turkey was in the North Atlantic Alliance , enemies of the Soviet Union.During the WWII , the Red Army was ''larvatz'' to start a war with Turkey ,because the Turks were helping secretely the Nazis.But that cunning Ataturk didn't officialy joined with the Nazis.

            Do you really think the earthquake of 88 was natural,
            Duh yes.

            dont give any bs excuse how the antilias church is run by politics from the dashnak party, the armenian church that i serve in is run by hnchaks, and most of Agbu and the Ramgavars run the other churches.
            Exactly that is my point.All of them are using the Churches in order to sustain their corpses.

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            • #76
              How was the 88 Earthquake not natural, I keep hearing that. Any clues?

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              • #77
                Originally posted by Thai-Samurai
                How was the 88 Earthquake not natural, I keep hearing that. Any clues?
                Aliens in Yamukas?

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                • #78
                  This is the first time I'm hearing that the 1988 earthquake wasn't natural, but on the other hand, I have heard that the second Asian earthquake was fake, because unlike the first earthquake which was weaker than the second one triggered an earthquake, but the second one didn't.

                  Who knows. Maybe it's just a conspiracy theory, or maybe not. If it really is true, it shows you that artificial earthquakes are not impossible.

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                  • #79
                    there are no fault lines in Armenia for earthquakes to occur

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                    • #80
                      There have been earthquakes in Western Armenia in recent years, so earthquakes in Armenia are also possible.

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