Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

[bezjian]

That's a very good point. The reason is simple. It is a well known fact, that Turks are and have been since their arrival incapable of acquiring most basic trades and skills. This is both due to nature - Turkic genes hold no intellectual promise and the well of Turkish intellectual capacity has never held a drop - and nurture - their nomadic, live by the sword, make war not culture ways have defined a people incapable of creation and progress. So, how were Turks able to survive all those centuries. Why simple, on the backs of countless skilled and resourceful minorities, who besides acting as the workhorses of the oppresing country brought their distinct culture and arts to define the culture and arts of Turks. Even the most famous Turkish mosque, the jewel of Istanbul, is a changed-over church.

So to answer your question, Armenians and other minorities were the only goldsmiths, taylors, accountants, etc etc etc. With time, the last names were changed to make the brainless cattle that made up the majority of the country easily understand which Armenian to turn to for essential services.

"hay@ g'shine, turk@ g'ple" as the saying goes (the armenian creates, the turk destroys). TheTurk, please educate yourself:

http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?p=123408#post123408

karakitap, you forgot our earlier conversations?(http://forum.armenianclub.com/showpo...0&postcount=85)

It is not hard to understand your feelings since you lost all your past suddenly and when you are gone, we lost our past, too. We lost all that colorful society, our talented craftsman, tradesman, succesful people and Turkey became a narrow cultured place. When I click your link of Efkere and see the village with the big church I can better see how a colorful country has turned to modern Turkey. Youg generation is unaware of living together with Armenians buth the old generation miss you. I believe that most of the ordinary people were not responsible what you faced at 1915 and sorry for this. Nothing can bring the past and to say sorry is also meaningless, too.
BTW, where is your family originally from?

and another thing, your compatriot thinks that armenians are originally turks who converted to christianity?!! is this a sick joke? or is this what people actually think in your country? first turks are related to sumerians, and now armenians are really turks? you have to admit you have some psychological problems. when even the most basic facts of history are distorted to this degree, how can there be an honest discussion of 1915?

[anoush719]

your compatriot thinks that armenians are originally turks who converted to christianity

Sometimes these turks are really hilarious and make you laugh

The things they come up with......

[TheTurk]

Sometimes these turks are really hilarious and make you laugh

The things they come up with......

Sure... Turks are hilarious. I think everybody "laughed" when we conquered the Balkans, Northern Africa, Caucasia, the arab peninsula and more. Everybody "laughed" when we introduced religious freedom in 1853 long before any nation in the World history. Everybody laughed when we used gunpowder long before any other nation knew anything about it. I assume everybody laughed in 1650 when turkish elite forced used wooden missiles in warfare long before the germans in WWII made their missiles.

The only one being hilarous and laughable in here are you - since you know so little of history and of the turks. All you know, is to hate us. I pitty you.

The Turk

[Red Brigade]

Sure... Turks are hilarious. I think everybody "laughed" when we conquered the Balkans, Northern Africa, Caucasia, the arab peninsula and more. Everybody "laughed" when we introduced religious freedom in 1853 long before any nation in the World history. Everybody laughed when we used gunpowder long before any other nation knew anything about it. I assume everybody laughed in 1650 when turkish elite forced used wooden missiles in warfare long before the germans in WWII made their missiles.

The only one being hilarous and laughable in here are you - since you know so little of history and of the turks. All you know, is to hate us. I pitty you.

The Turk

Funny how every achievment of yours is about destruction.

[karoaper]

Funny how every achievment of yours is about destruction.

Great point.

[karoaper]

Everybody "laughed" when we introduced religious freedom in 1853 long before any nation in the World history.

Religious freedom. Why of course, converting countless churches into mosques is a great way to celebrate your Chirstian minorities. Do you know how many eye-witness testimonies exist of life-for-conversion offers, how many young Armenian maidens chose to commit suicide by jumping off clifs rather than be married to a Turk or a Kurd as sign of accepting Islam. How many priests were murdered for sermons emphasizing Armenian faith and freedom. Go ask a Greek, Assyrian, Bulgarian, and many others what they think about your nation's religious freedom.

[bezjian]

Sure... Turks are hilarious. I think everybody "laughed" when we conquered the Balkans, Northern Africa, Caucasia, the arab peninsula and more. Everybody "laughed" when we introduced religious freedom in 1853 long before any nation in the World history. Everybody laughed when we used gunpowder long before any other nation knew anything about it. I assume everybody laughed in 1650 when turkish elite forced used wooden missiles in warfare long before the germans in WWII made their missiles.

The only one being hilarous and laughable in here are you - since you know so little of history and of the turks. All you know, is to hate us. I pitty you.

The Turk

i see, you are the experts in history and armenians know nothing about history and the turks. do you realize some of the earliest information the world has about turks comes from armenian historians?

tell us what you know about the history of armenians then. give us a brief survey of armenian history, from the ethnogenesis to the present.

[Red Brigade]

Everybody "laughed" when we introduced religious freedom in 1853 long before any nation in the World history.

By the way Turks didn't introduced religious freedom in world history for the first time , simply because at 313 AD , Great Constantine of Rome anounced that freedom of religions is possible ,in his Empire.

[Siggie]

Sure... Turks are hilarious. I think everybody "laughed" when we conquered the Balkans, Northern Africa, Caucasia, the arab peninsula and more. Everybody "laughed" when we introduced religious freedom in 1853 long before any nation in the World history. Everybody laughed when we used gunpowder long before any other nation knew anything about it. I assume everybody laughed in 1650 when turkish elite forced used wooden missiles in warfare long before the germans in WWII made their missiles.

The only one being hilarous and laughable in here are you - since you know so little of history and of the turks. All you know, is to hate us. I pitty you.

The Turk

Have to add this too...

The Chinese were the first to use gunpowder. They used it for celebration though and that use eventually led to fireworks as we know them now. They did also first use them as weapons by making it with more nitrate and using them in metal barrels. They developed firearms and I think even cannons.

Their use spread to Europe.

Turks were among the first nations to use it. Perhaps because they had the "need" first, but they don't appear to have been the first to develop it or use it.

Yet you say we lack knowledge of history. How many of your statements need to shown to be false?
Maybe we should add a new reason to laugh at you... you're incredibly gullible. Don't believe everything you're told. Try to research things hmm? Oh, and not only in Turkish sources. Take a look at what the most reputable historians or even most historians say.

[Armenian]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

France Abuses Armenian Issue to Prevent Turkey's EU Membership

By Jan Soykok, JTW

ANKARA - Turkish political scientists argue that France abuses the Armenian issue in order to prevent Turkey's EU membership. Sedat Laciner, Director of Ankara-based Turkish think tank USAK says that "the anti-Turkish circles in France are so strong and they abuses the Cyprus and Armenian issues to halt the Turks." Dr. Laciner further said:

"Christian fundamentalists, ultra-nationalist Armenians, and other anti-Turkish lobby have done anyting possible to prevent Turkey's EU bid. Turkey is now in memberhip negotiations with the EU. Turkey's economy and human rights records fulfill the EU criteria. As a matter of fact that there is no excuse to put the Turks in cold. That's why the anti-Turkish groups look for new excuses. France is not sincere in dealing with the Armenian issue. The Paris Government abuses the problems between the Turks and Armenians instead of helping them in solving the disputes. Both Armenia and Turkey need French help in reconciliation, yet the French politicians undermine the dialogue environment."

Similarly Dr. Halil Ibrahim Bahar argued that each country should focus on its own dark pages in the past. "The Algerian days are the darkest pages in French history" he told the JTW. Dr. Nilgun Gulcan labels the French Rule in Algeria 'genocide'. She said that "French rulers killed more than 1,5 million people in Algeria".

Link: http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=31431