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Iraq... an Armenian view.

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  • #41
    I dont get the logic of Armenians who protest sending our officers because they say it will pose a threat to the Armenians in Iraq. Havent the Iraqis already blown up 2 Armenian churches without provocation? I dont see how sitting back and crossing our arms can be a good thing.

    I also dont see how someone who truly wants to see the good for their nations in the US or Britain can protest this war. I was against the war because the US's interests were not my first priority. And I would probably be against this war if I was the head of a nation whos national interests collided with those of the US.

    This war is everything positive for the US and if they were able to go in there and noone had the power to stop them, whether diplomatically or physically, then I think they deserve to stay in Iraq and carry out their agenda, whatever it be.

    Kocharian and the Armenian parliament finally did what they should have done a year ago. Armenia is isolated enough as it is and obviously this move doesnt have much real meaning, it is symbolic, it represents Armenia's small bit of independance from Russia and it represents a token by which the pro-Armenian Congressmen in the US can justify their arguments for continued diplomatic and economic assistance.

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    • #42
      The Armenian churches were bombed along with other Christian churches at the same time. I'm pretty sure the "Christian" label was applied there. Now, Armenia is also seen as part of the "invading" coalition.

      Sucking up to the U.S.A. will not work. Their agenda clearly favours Azerbaidjan, and no symbolic move on our part will change that. The same symbolic moves, however, can have a negative impact with our relations with other countries (I'm not talking about Russia, rather other European and Arab countries).

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      • #43
        Originally posted by TigranJamharian
        I dont get the logic of Armenians who protest sending our officers because they say it will pose a threat to the Armenians in Iraq. Havent the Iraqis already blown up 2 Armenian churches without provocation?
        The arguement is exactly that. If these crazies attack Armenians without provication, just imagine what they might do WITH such provication! When dealing with people like this, sometimes it's best to lay low (seeing as Armenians are such a minority there) and take the little things they throw at us rather than stir the water by sending troops and risk the brunt of what they might do. As you say later on in the post though, it is a token move that hopefully will not be deemed important enough to the insurgents to warrent attacks. And it makes Armenia look better to America and the Congressman and us Armenian-Americans can now flaunt Armenia as a member of "the Coalition of the Willing". I saw on the MS-NBC ticker a few days ago an announcement of Armenia authorizing troops and joining the previously mentioned coalition, it was pretty cool to see Armenia's name there.

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        • #44
          Vrouyr, why does it matter if it was a general attack or a targetted attack?
          With which European countries would Armenia's relations be negatively impacted? The only powerful European nation which is really against the war in Iraq is France, and our relations with them are exceptional and i dont think this is going to affect them.

          The US's agenda or the agenda of any other nation for that matter, favors those nations from which they can get the most. By simply not even giving the US a bone we cant expect anything but this way at least we are making inroads and laying the foundation for an even better relationship when Armenia's and Azerbaijan's interests wont neccesarily collide. As for the Arab nations, i think they understand better than anyone else that helping the US is not neccesarily a moral decision. Half of them are themselves in one way or another helping the US effort.

          As for you IAmMadAtAC, your post was very well put and i agree with most if not all of it.

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          • #45
            The difference is that if at first religious armenian establishments were being targetted, now there is a risk of anything being a target. (Armenian centers, schools, businesses, homes).

            And who said anything about this being moral? There is nothing moral about any of this. My personal opposition to the war might be moral, but politics is never based on morals. France's opposition is not based on morals either. I just don't see any tanglible payback for what happens to be an immoral war. How senseless that we still have thousands of mines in the border areas and we send mine sappers to Iraq..

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            • #46
              Kocharian, by the way, has just strenghtened his position as Armenia's president. Not because the public approves of the war, but because the opposition voted against it. No way will they get U.S. support now.

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              • #47
                It just puts the whole "US funded Armenian opposition" rumor down the drain. I guess we wont be seeing a revolution anytime soon.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by TigranJamharian
                  It just puts the whole "US funded Armenian opposition" rumor down the drain. I guess we wont be seeing a revolution anytime soon.
                  lol, Artashes "the fool" Geghamyan, who used to be an advocate of Armenia adopting the Russian Ruble as the national currency is now the most pro-US of all opposition leaders. Akh, somebody help us. These guys are clowns.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Baron Dants
                    lol, Artashes "the fool" Geghamyan, who used to be an advocate of Armenia adopting the Russian Ruble as the national currency is now the most pro-US of all opposition leaders. Akh, somebody help us. These guys are clowns.
                    I know a lot about international politics, but when it comes to internal Armenian politics I know next to nothing. Who should I be rooting for? Kocharian? Opposition? No one? After reading all about the STRATFOR stuff which hopes to freaking take over Armenia, I think I want Kocharian to stay in office so that can't happen. It is much more in Armenia's interests to remain a Russian puppet than to team up with America, which definitely does not have its best interests at heart. Of course Kocharian isn't that great either and there are also bad consequences to him being in office. So... what am I to support? I don't know enough about internal politics of Armenia to actually make a real decision so I'll have you all do it for me.

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                    • #50
                      My opinion for now is that I dislike Kocharian very much, but he is still the best that I have seen so far.

                      The opposition is nothing more than a joke.

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