Liberation of Western Armenia

[arabico]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

just a question. who did russia support in the war between armenina and azerbeijan?

[karoaper]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

just a question. who did russia support in the war between armenina and azerbeijan?

In the beginning, they supported Azerbaijan, only because Moscow was scared of breakdown of administrative borders and setups put in place during Soviet times. From their point of view, maintaining the status-quo helped maintain their control in the region. Later on, Russia fully reasserted herself as Armenia's ally. And it's payed off, since Armenia is the only pro-Russian republilc in the Caucusus.

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

In the beginning, they supported Azerbaijan, only because Moscow was scared of breakdown of administrative borders and setups put in place during Soviet times. From their point of view, maintaining the status-quo helped maintain their control in the region. Later on, Russia fully reasserted herself as Armenia's ally. And it's payed off, since Armenia is the only pro-Russian republilc in the Caucusus.

The Russians NEVER fully backed either the Armenians nor Azeris. They used both sides against the other. Moreover, DO NOT be fooled by the propoganda the Azeris spread of "1 billion dollars of Russian arms to Armenia." These arms were delivered to Armenia AFTER the ceasefire, and therefore played NO FACTOR WHATSOEVER IN THE OUTCOME OF THE WAR.

[zinedeniz]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

"Armenian" and his lameass articles. Usual crap. Well... One can dream I guess.

[Sip]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

"Armenian" and his lameass articles. Usual crap. Well... One can dream I guess.

Crap is something that you want to get rid of. Horrible crap is something you want to get rid of but can't. Guess which category you belong to.

[zinedeniz]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Crap is something that you want to get rid of. Horrible crap is something you want to get rid of but can't. Guess which category you belong to.

Sus.

[karoaper]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

The Russians NEVER fully backed either the Armenians nor Azeris. They used both sides against the other. Moreover, DO NOT be fooled by the propoganda the Azeris spread of "1 billion dollars of Russian arms to Armenia." These arms were delivered to Armenia AFTER the ceasefire, and therefore played NO FACTOR WHATSOEVER IN THE OUTCOME OF THE WAR.

There are more ways of giving support than weapons. One of the reasons why Azeris aren't so crazy about the idea of starting a conflict now is that Russia this time supports Armenia. In the beginning for Moscow it wasn't about using both sides against each other, since there was nothing to be gained there. It was about keeping the lid on the Gharabagh issue for dying hopes of still controlling the area, making formation of new governments and nations harmful to thise hopes.

Also, last time I checked this was an Armenian forum, who here is going to know much less be fooled by Azeri propoganda.

[karoaper]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

If we're going to ban Armenian members for first time offense, please don't let our eyes water from smelling this horrible xxxx.

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

There are more ways of giving support than weapons. One of the reasons why Azeris aren't so crazy about the idea of starting a conflict now is that Russia this time supports Armenia.

I think the Armenian army has somthing to do with it also. But in all respects, Russia maybe a strategic ally and parther of Armenia, it is nonetheless pursuing its own national interests. If Russia really wanted to help Armenia, it would blockade Azerbaijan like its doing to Georgia now and like Azerbaijans ally Turkey is doing to Armenia. Turkey gives azerbaijan unconditional backing-in words and deeds and makes no effort to hide it. There is no power that has pledged unconditional support for Armenia, like the US to Israel currently.

In the beginning for Moscow it wasn't about using both sides against each other, since there was nothing to be gained there.

Yes, it was. And during some of the most toughest fights, we were not fighting Azeris, but Russians. Whenever the balanced was in favor of 1 side, the Russians supported the other.

Also, last time I checked this was an Armenian forum, who here is going to know much less be fooled by Azeri propoganda.

well if u are not aware of azebaijani propoganda i'd suggest you get a little more involved in political awareness b/c the enemy is at work and if you're not doing anything, then you are not helping.

[D3ADSY]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Such factors as superiority in numbers and arms do not automatically translate into military success and I think you've got much research to do before you present yourself as being some military analyst.

In terms of what we are talking about here the numbers on each side and their equipment play a vital role.

The fight for the liberation of Mountainous Artsakh was hardly "between two more or less evenly matched sides." The Artsakhsis hardly had the numberical advantage over the Azeris, and for the most part they fought with what they captured from the enemy.

Yes, and the billion dollar shipments of military aid had no impact. And please do not argue this never happened, it is the very thing you would spurt out when trying to argue Armenians and Russians are best mates.

The Armenians did NOT have planes or an air force, the Azeris did. Moreover, the Azerbaijanis had hired thousands of Mujahadeen, Chechen, Russian and Ukranian merceneries.... while the Armenians had barely enough money for bread. The situation was A LOT more despair in Armenia than Azerbaijan. Moreover, the Azeris were advized by NATO Turkish Generals on military tactics and supplied NATO arms to Azerbaijan for use against Armenians.

There, the Armenians were overwhelming outnumbered, outgunned and only a braindead baffoon would see this brilliant, glourious victory as an "even match".

If they didn't have an air force how the hell did they fight an air war over NK?
I don't recall saying anything about it not being a glorious victory.

At the present time noone in Armenia is preparing for an invasion of Turkey. We are speaking of our long-term, strategic goals. Geopolitics change all the time. Who knows, one day the Americans may just need to use our territory to attack turkey. It wasn't too long ago when the US was "chums" with Iran.

Yeah, who knows... Maybe we will see Nato fight Nato!

what type of a mutated freak are you? how many fingers have you got?

15 Su-25
1 Mig-25
12 operational Mi-24s (out of around 30)

Yeah, I'd say my figurative way of speaking was close enough.

Moreover, you are assuming that the only way to liberation of our lands is only between a war strictly b/w armenia and turkey. forgetting geopolitics? forgetting sponsorship of great powers?.

Ah yes, as always your kind relies on the "great powers".
You will never learn.
Do yo have dreams of a neo-Byzantium? Ask a Greek or Serb or Russian what they think of Armenians. You'll get a reply that they don't think at all, at best.

precisely, and that is why we have and must maintain the strongest army in the caucasus region. As for iran, they are the closest ethnic relatives of Armenians and the best friend and neighbor we have.

You should maintain the strongest army, but don't isolate yourself from those directly around you while dancing to the tune of a "great power" who you have no direct link to, from who for a number of reasons you are becoming more and more isolated. One day people wake up and they realise they are alone. If only we had some of the balls Georgia seems to have. I'd also say that ethnically we have much in common with the people we live amongst in the caucasus, we're all "cherniy kavkazskii" aren't we?

Though if those who have these suicidal dreams would just avail themselves of the suicide route to a happier live, then it would be better for the sane amongst us.

Don't you get it man? We are not sane. It is they who believe Armenia will reconquer it's historical lands and form a Greater Armenia, who are sane. Somehow they believe they have everything behind them, to back these delusional rants, even history which to most realistic people actually leans more towards proving how absurd this all is!

Thank you enker Artsakh.

I had stopped reading that annoying person's comments. Most probably he is a "Polsahai" who has been watching a lot of Rambo films and reading GI Joe magazines. So now he wants to show us how much of a military expert he has become.

Please ignore him from now on, when you reply to him its like hitting a wasps nest.

You're all talk. Empty, dangerous drivel. And when someone talks back, you resort to ad hominems. You couldn't reply when I countered your utterly stupid claims of Iran destroying US Fleets in the Persian Gulf with Sunburn missiles and you can't reply now. Instead you'll just keep talking from your pulpit and exchanging :cheers: emoticons with those that agree and ignoring anyone who opposes you, much like the politician who will give his speech and then not have time for questions.
For all your talk if Azeri forces crossed into NKR lines tomorrow you'd still be posting, carrying on your patriotic fight on the forums of the internet, because you're too busy to do anything else, because you have a business or some other excuse to take care of that is stopping you from boarding that plane bound for Armenia.