Armenian Politics Vol. 2

[HayotzAmrotz]

If and when Syria falls, the destruction of Iran will be the next long term plan. With Syria and Iran out of the equation, the west (namely USA) and Israel will be able to control politics and economy of the region from north Africa to central Asia. I know Russia and China fear this prospect. It will be interesting to see how Russia will react, if an when Syria is endangered.

The Russian reaction will be indeed interesting to see since it will have an affect (although not a huge one) on Armenia’s stance on these issues as well. But regardless of Russia’s reaction we should never allow Americans to use us to damage Iran. Prospect of a weak Iran and a possibility of a puppet government in Tehran isn’t good for us at all.

On our north we already have pro-American clowns calling them selves the Georgian government. Yet, despite they are clowns, what they do isn't funny at all. They are treating our people in Javakhq with utter contempt and taking one political and social step after another to make their life there even worse and by doing these things they (Tbilisi) are asking for trouble, which they won't have to wait for too long to get. Hopefuly their Azeri lovers will join them so we can do both of them at once. Right now though, the attention of the Georgian “government” is directed on South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which has a large Armenian population.

No doubt America has prepared a similar clown government led by a “sincere and patriotic leader” for us too and is waiting for the right time to unleash these demons on us and start another “colorful revolution” but this time in Yerevan.

[Armenian]

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No doubt America has prepared a similar clown government led by a “sincere and patriotic leader” for us too and is waiting for the right time to unleash these demons on us and start another “colorful revolution” but this time in Yerevan.

I fully agree.

That's why I always try to caution those who call for a social revolution within Yerevan because they don't like the way its being run. As far as I'm conserned, thank God for Sarkissian, Kocharyan and Oskanian, as imperfect as they are they are the best we have right now. Any change of the status-quo within Yerevan today would be very detrimental for Armenia's future in the region. The threat however is real and it exists in Yerevan. Those US State Department financed NGOs and various American 'news' organizations like "Armenianow" are working very hard to bring about a 'pro-democracy' revolution in Armenia.

Most Armenians are clueless about real politics. I'm glad you are here.

[Armenian]

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I was just forwarded this message, its a bit scary.

Israel's Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of xxxish activists can place supportive messages.

In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of xxxish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone� software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: War in The Middle East

The threat however is real and it exists in Yerevan. Those US State Department financed NGOs and various American 'news' organizations like "Armenianow" are working very hard to bring about a 'pro-democracy' revolution in Armenia.

The threat is very real, eghbair. You have rightly identified the State Deps “NGOs” and American “news” organizations, especially “armenianow” of “good ol’ Johnny boy”, but there are many, many others. For example the Jehovah’s Witnesses these liars who operate in the name of God, these soul snatchers whos purpose is to undermine and damage our Apostolic Church AND also our National Army.

[Fedayeen]

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I fully agree.

That's why I always try to caution those who call for a social revolution within Yerevan because they don't like the way its being run. As far as I'm conserned, thank God for Sarkissian, Kocharyan and Oskanian, as imperfect as they are they are the best we have right now. Any change of the status-quo within Yerevan today would be very detrimental for Armenia's future in the region. The threat however is real and it exists in Yerevan. Those US State Department financed NGOs and various American 'news' organizations like "Armenianow" are working very hard to bring about a 'pro-democracy' revolution in Armenia.

Most Armenians are clueless about real politics. I'm glad you are here.

I agree with you, but i don't see how you like Kocharyan, maybe his good at keeping the westerners out, but when it comes for his people, his nothing, but maybe thats what important today and right now?

But given the October 27, 1999 event, Kocharyan can xxxx himself, Vazgen was actually doing something, people really loved him...and to think that event was work of 3 man, is just bullxxxx.

And when i said revolution in the other thread, i nowhere meant pro-democracy American xxxx, but a peoples person.

[Armenian]

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I agree with you, but i don't see how you like Kocharyan, maybe his good at keeping the westerners out, but when it comes for his people, his nothing, but maybe thats what important today and right now?

But given the October 27, 1999 event, Kocharyan can xxxx himself, Vazgen was actually doing something, people really loved him...and to think that event was work of 3 man, is just bullxxxx.

And when i said revolution in the other thread, i nowhere meant pro-democracy American xxxx, but a peoples person.

Kocharyan's administration has many faults but its the best we have under the circumstances. I am glad that official Yerevan today has managed to foster close ties with Russia and Iran at the same time keeping good relations with EU and America. I am also glad that they are not kissing Turkish a-s-s. Under their leadership the Armenian borders are secure, Armenian society is stable and safe, and the economy keeps growing. These are the fumdamental things that I expect a goverment to provide. As far as corruption is concerned, it wont dissapear anytime soon because it is deeply embedded within the people's phychology. We need at least a couple of generations to negate the corruption level in Armenia.

I am not very upset about what happened on ctober 27, 1999. That was most likely a Russian operation to eliminate pro-American (pro-Paul Goble plan) officials in Armenia. Vazgen Sarkissian and Karen Demirjian were as corrupt as anyone else. As a mater of fact, I know quite a few Yerevantsis and Artsakh veterans that would have killed Sarkissian by themselves had the been given the chance. It seems that only the uneducated class in Armenia actually believed in Vazgen Sarkissian. Nonetheless, you are making something out of someone who was not a good politician at all nor was he a true Armenian patriot. Nonethelss, the assassinations had to do with region's superpower politics, so it is was over our head to discuss.

Bottom line:

Armenia today is actually one of the safest countries in the world

Armenian society is stable unlike most others in the region

Armenia has secure borders due to its strong military and alliances

Armenia has good political/economic/military relations with Russia and Iran

Armenia has bad relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, thank God

Armenian economy is growing gradually and Yerevan is blossoming

Corruption in Armenia is gradually decreasing

Most importantly:

This is absolutely no time for revoultion within Armenia. Revolution in Yerevan is what USA wants, what Ankara wants, what Baku wants, what Tblisi wants, what Tel Aviv wants. I will not shed a single tear if all the revolution seekers in Armenia get beaten to a pulp by the authorities. I suggest you "revolution" folks to grow up for a change, there is a time and place for everything.

Anyway, this topic does not belong in this thread, please discuss it elsewhere.

[Anonymouse]

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Kocharyan is also the one during the meeting in Bucharest in June, that has been negotiating with Azerbaijan and in the exchange is alot of territories that is now occupied by Armenians. Why would Armenian loving president do that? All that fighting and bloodshed was for nothing if you ask me.

[aray]

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Right now though, the attention of the Georgian “government” is directed on South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which has a large Armenian population.

Being honest I wouldn’t mind to see this conflict growing and getting out of control. There is going to be a lot of angry Russians all over Georgian asses. In short term this may be critical for Armenia; however, we could end up with the autonomy in Javakhq.

[aray]

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Kocharyan is also the one during the meeting in Bucharest in June, that has been negotiating with Azerbaijan and in the exchange is alot of territories that is now occupied by Armenians. Why would Armenian loving president do that? All that fighting and bloodshed was for nothing if you ask me.

At first it was scary when Minsk group disclosed negotiation details. However, there is a difference between negotiating something and actually doing it. I think what you saying was just part of the politics and Kocharyan knew from the beginning that negotiation process going nowhere. After all, Kocharyan was the one who stepped up for Ter Petrosyan who was about to sell liberated territories.

[Armenian]

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Kocharyan is also the one during the meeting in Bucharest in June, that has been negotiating with Azerbaijan and in the exchange is alot of territories that is now occupied by Armenians. Why would Armenian loving president do that? All that fighting and bloodshed was for nothing if you ask me.

Its only politics. They have to give lip service and show that they are working towards a "just" settlement. In reality, there is no chance in hell that Kocharyan and company is going to give up lands to Azeris. All parties involved know this, including the Azeris and Turks. They are simply dragging this out as far as possible for political reasons. Don't forget Kocharyan and Sarkissian are Artsakhtsis. Intent to give up lands was one of the reasons that almost cost Levon Ter Petrossian his life in 1998. No active Armenian politician in Yerevan today seriously talks about giving up lands. The war veterans in Armenia, Russians and Iranians would also not want Armenians giving up land. In a final settlement with Azeris, I only foresee giving up certain territories outside of Artsakh, Karvajar (Kelbajar) and Berddzor (Lachin). Dont listen to politicians just watch what they do.