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    Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships




    Russia and Venezuela boost diplomatic ties: http://www.youtube.comwatch?v=KDU7SHc5QrA

    Venezuela prepares for first visit by Russian leader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52jc...eature=channel

    Russian warships arrived in Venezuela Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. Venezuelan sailors fired off cannons in a 21-gun salute as the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko docked in La Guaira, near Caracas. Russians sailors dressed in black-and-white uniforms lined up along the bow. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has eagerly welcomed the ships, basking in the support of a powerful ally and traditional U.S. rival. Chavez wants Russian help to build a nuclear reactor, invest in oil and natural gas projects and bolster his leftist movement's effort to limit U.S. influence in Latin America. Chavez also wants weapons — he has bought more than $4 billion in Russian arms, including Sukhoi fighter jets, helicopters and 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles, and more deals for Russian tanks or other weaponry may be discussed after Medvedev arrives Wednesday.

    Russia's deployment of the naval squadron — the behemoth flagship Peter the Great, the missile destroyer and two support vessels — is widely seen as a demonstration of Kremlin anger over the U.S. decision to send warships to deliver aid to Georgia after its battles with Russia, and U.S. plans for a European missile-defense system. But Bush administration officials mocked the show of force. "Are they accompanied by tugboats this time?" U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack joked to reporters in Washington. He noted that Russia's navy is but a shadow of its Soviet-era fleet, and reasserted U.S. dominance in Latin America. "I don't think there's any question about ... who the region looks to in terms of political, economic, diplomatic and as well as military power," McCormack said. "If the Venezuelans and the Russians want to have, you know, a military exercise, that's fine. But we'll obviously be watching it very closely."

    Venezuelan sailors stood at attention along the pier where the destroyer docked, while another support ship was visible nearby. The Peter the Great remained out of sight; the largest ship in the Russian fleet, it was expected to anchor offshore due to its size. When Russia sent two strategic bombers to Venezuela in September, some drew comparisons to the Soviet Union's deployments to Cuba during the Cold War. But both countries have also shown signs of trying to engage President-elect Barack Obama. And Chavez told reporters that it's ludicrous to invoke the Cold War to describe the naval exercises beginning Dec. 1. "It's not a provocation. It's an exchange between two free countries," Chavez said. Russia's ambitions to make inroads in Latin America may be checked by global events. Both Venezuela and Russia are feeling the pinch of slumping oil prices, and their ability to be major benefactors for like-minded leaders is in doubt given the pressures of the world's financial crisis.

    The maneuvers starting Dec. 1 "should be viewed largely as a propaganda exercise," said Anna Gilmour, an analyst at Jane's Intelligence Review. "Pragmatic Russian policy suggests that it will content itself with a brief high-profile visit, rather than a longer-term deployment that could cause severe tensions with the U.S., at a time when Russia may be looking to re-engage with the new administration," she said. Next week, the warships will participate in "very simple, routine exercises," Gen. Jesus Gonzalez said, enabling sailors to practice reconnaissance, patrol, anti-terrorism and search and rescue operations. Medvedev's tour this week to Peru, Brazil, Venezuela and Cuba was planned before the financial crisis, and Russia must now downsize its ambitions in Latin America because its pockets are no longer so deep, said Fyodor Lukyanov, the editor of Russia in Global Affairs Magazine. "Russia will have to put off big projects like the construction of a gas pipeline across South America," Lukyanov said.

    The proposed natural gas pipeline is Chavez's brainchild, a controversial and ambitious plan for which he has explored Russian investment. But Russia still has an economic interest in selling more weapons and boosting business in Latin America, and Venezuela can help "open the doors," noted Venezuelan political scientist Ricardo Sucre Heredia. "It's a win-win relationship for the two countries," Sucre said. "Russia gains in terms of its international power and its presence, and Venezuela gains in terms of having an ally."

    Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081125/...nezuela_russia

    Russian naval task force starts Venezuela visit



    A task force from Russia's Northern Fleet led by the Pyotr Veliky missile cruiser arrived in Venezuela as part of a planned visit which will see the ships take part in joint naval drills, a naval spokesman said. "On December 1 following the visit, the Russian warships will take part in joint naval exercises with the Venezuelan Navy," Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo said. Dygalo said the exercises will take place in the Caribbean Sea and will involve joint maneuvers, inspections, rescue and resupply operations. The drills are due to be discussed by both sides during the Russian Navy's visit to the Venezuelan port of La Guaira. "Venezuela's Navy will be represented by two or three ships. Two warships will act for the Russian side - the Pyotr Veliky and the [large anti-submarine vessel] Admiral Chabanenko - as well as support ships," Dygalo said. The task force left its Northern Fleet base on September 22 and has visited ports in Libya, Turkey and France. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said the country's air force, primarily a squadron of Russian-made Su-30MK2 fighters, could participate in the drills. He said the exercises were not targeted against other countries. "This is cooperation between two sovereign countries that are rapidly converging strategically." "Cooperation with Russia in different fields is in line with the new realities of a multi-polar world," he added. The arrival of the Russian ships coincides with a visit by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to Venezuela on November 26 through 27. Following the Latin American visit the task force is due to take part in drills with ships from Russia's Pacific Fleet in the Indian Ocean.

    Source: http://en.rian.ru/world/20081125/118521168.html

    Russia, Venezuela warships to hold live firing drills on Dec.1



    Russian and Venezuelan warships will conduct artillery live firing drills on December 1 as part of joint naval exercises in the Caribbean, a senior Russian lawmaker said on Tuesday. A task force from Russia's Northern Fleet led by the Pyotr Veliky missile cruiser hare set to arrive in Venezuela on a planned visit following a two-month sortie in the Atlantic and Mediterranean, which saw Russian ships visiting Libya, Turkey and France. "The exercises will involve joint sea rescue, maneuvering, and artillery firing drills," said Viktor Zavarzin, chairman of the Defense Committee in Russia's lower house of parliament. Two Russian warships, the Pyotr Veliky and the Udaloy class destroyer Admiral Chabanenko, will participate, while Venezuela's Navy will be represented by two or three combat vessels, he said. Zavarzin also said that the exercises will be conducted in line with bilateral agreements and in concordance with international maritime law. They will be held in a zone beyond Venezuela's territorial waters, about 150 nautical miles from the coast. All shipping in the area will be suspended for the duration of the exercises after proper notification due at the end of November. Following the Latin American visit the Russian task force is due to take part in drills with ships from Russia's Pacific Fleet in the Indian Ocean.

    Source: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081125/118527860.html

    Russia's interest in South America should alert the U.S.



    Moscow is sending Washington a none-too-subtle warning, but the bigger issue is economic.


    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's four-nation jaunt through Latin America, which started at an international summit in Peru on Saturday and finishes in Cuba on Thursday, might be thought of as his badwill tour -- not aimed at Latin America, but a country just north of Mexico. Medvedev will clasp arms with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez today even as a small flotilla of Russian warships conducts training exercises alongside the Venezuelan navy, the first time since the end of the Cold War that Russian ships have trained in the Caribbean. Chavez, who has built his political career on baiting the United States, will announce new arms and energy deals with Russia, including a scary proposal for the two countries to cooperate on Venezuela's first nuclear power plant. Then Medvedev will try to invoke the ghost of missile crises past by heading to Havana, where he'll seek to restore Soviet-era ties that were severely damaged when Moscow stopped propping up the island's economy. For the Kremlin, this is about sending a message to Washington: If you trespass in our backyard, we'll trespass in yours. Medvedev and his puppeteer, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin, are furious at U.S. intentions to build a missile shield in Eastern Europe, as well as Washington's support of NATO membership for former Soviet satellites, its objections to Russia's attacks in Georgia this summer and its backing of Kosovo's independence. There's no sign that the Bush administration is taking the saber-rattling seriously, nor should President-elect Barack Obama. The Russian navy is less a threat to the U.S. than it is to its own sailors, who have a frightening tendency to die in accidents like the sinking of the Kursk nuclear submarine in 2000; the flagship of the forces training in the Caribbean, a cruiser called Peter the Great, was said in 2004 by Russia's naval commander to be in such bad condition that it could explode at any moment. Yet Medvedev's visit does bring up an issue that should concern Obama. Russia isn't the only country casting covetous eyes on Latin America's resources, goods and consumers. Chinese President Hu Jintao also toured the continent last week to drum up business, which is booming: China's trade with Latin America jumped from $10 billion in 2000 to $103 billion in 2007. Obama has rightly signaled that he may ease the U.S. trade embargo with Cuba, yet he has also expressed skepticism at the Colombia free-trade pact and even the North American Free Trade Agreement. If the U.S. snubs its trading partners in Latin America, it would leave a vacuum that countries like Russia and China would be only too happy to fill -- to the detriment of both our economy and national security.

    Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...0,266968.story

    Russia's Medvedev expects $10 bln trade with Brazil



    Trade between Russia and Brazil will soon reach $10 billion annually, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said on Wednesday. "Our trade relations have already reached the level of $6 billion. This year we have a chance to exceed this figure, and soon reach 10 billion dollars," said Medvedev, who is currently on an official visit to Brazil. In 2007, bilateral trade was $5.2 billion. Earlier in the day, Medvedev met with his Brazilian counterpart, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. After the talks, he told reporters that Russia and Brazil should create a "technological alliance". "I believe the task of forming a technological alliance between the Russian Federation and Brazil can be successfully fulfilled, and very soon," he said. The Russian leader said the sides are not only interested in raw materials cooperation, but could also interact in hi-tech projects in the power industry, space research, telecommunications, and military and technical cooperation. The head of the Russian military-technical cooperation service said Wednesday that Brazil has shown an interest in buying Russian military hardware, in particular aircraft and armored vehicles. FSVTS chief Mikhail Dmitriyev told RIA Novosti that a framework intergovernmental agreement would be signed on the issue.

    Source: http://en.rian.ru/business/20081126/118557947.html
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      Boo-freakin-hoo

      When Russia starts lining forces up at the Mexican border, cruising submarines into Boston harbor, then maybe I'll give a xxxx.

      I kind of enjoy reading this news. Following the missile shield deployment in Poland, it seems like every day I get up and see Medvedev flipping Bush another middle finger :P

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        Boris Fyodorov

        Nov 27th 2008
        From The Economist print edition


        Boris Fyodorov, a Russian economic reformer, died on November 20th, aged 50

        Reuters

        MOST of Russia’s super-rich spend their summer holidays on yachts in the sunny Mediterranean. Boris Fyodorov preferred visiting English country churches, the older, the better. The buildings, and especially the gravestones, fascinated him. He saw in them symbols of an historical continuity that Russia had lost under communism. Born in poverty as a factory caretaker’s son, he delighted in making discoveries among his aristocratic roots: trinkets unearthed at his family’s ruined estate, a (Polish) coat of arms. His dacha outside Moscow was notable not for pet wolves or other fashionable extravagances, but for his valiant attempts to create a weedless, stripy English lawn in a hostile climate. He flew a Russian flag there too, scandalising the neighbours, who insisted he needed a permit.

        Visitors to his office sometimes wished the chairs had seat belts. Conversation would ricochet from Russia’s recent economic history to the tragedy of the aborted reforms brought in by his hero, Pyotr Stolypin, one of Tsar Nicholas II’s prime ministers. It would touch on the lamentable failure of the Kremlin under Vladimir Putin to promote proper corporate behaviour in the boardrooms of Russia’s big companies, bounce to the hypocrisy of Western bankers who failed to pay their taxes, and come to rest with a robust inquiry into the virtues of cylinder mowers compared with the rotary kind.

        The chat would be in muscular, fluent English. Mr Fyodorov’s job in the declining years of the Soviet Union had included monitoring the world economy by reading the Financial Times. This had left him at ease with the jargon of the new age, and also well placed to be finance minister of Russia (still just a part of the Soviet Union) as the planned economy entered its death throes. He briefly represented Russia (after it had become an independent country) at the World Bank in Washington, and then spent a year as deputy prime minister and, for a short while, as finance minister too.



        Practitioner, not politician
        It was not a great success. Like several other reformers of the time, he had a firmer grasp of economics than of politics: he was too unworldly, too impatient and perhaps too cerebral for the murky world of Russian government. Even so, he helped to create, almost from scratch, a Western-style financial system with capital markets, payments systems and a semi-independent central bank. Despite the wholesale theft-by-privatisation that followed, these achievements look more impressive now than they did in the chaos of the time.

        Once out of office, Mr Fyodorov published, among other books, a useful encyclopedia of financial terms. Some were recovered from pre-revolutionary Russian, others were neologisms. As a Russian patriot, however, he detested the practice of simply adapting an English word. Ofshorky (offshore accounts) was a pet hate, particularly because of its association with tax evasion. As head of the tax service, briefly, in 1998, he tried to decriminalise tax collecting, already well on its way to becoming an extortion racket, and also to broaden its reach to the rich and powerful—many of them all too familiar with ofshorky. Bravely, he set his inspectors on such prominent figures as Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a clownish extremist with connections to Russia’s rulers. He also tried to scare expatriate bankers into paying taxes on their salaries (amounting to $5 billion a year, he thought) and their local landlords into declaring the rents extracted from such foreigners ($1 billion).

        Mr Fyodorov had by this time also gone into business, founding United Financial Group, an investment bank, with an American friend in 1994. Yet neither wealth, connections, nor the flashing blue light on his black limousine (a hallmark of status in Russia) made Mr Fyodorov quite typical of the elite that moved so smoothly from burying communism to embracing capitalism red in tooth and claw. On the contrary, he despised such people for their lack of scruple. Without a moral basis, he said, capitalism would just become the means by which the powerful would concentrate their wealth.

        That was prescient. Mr Fyodorov’s last great cause before dropping out of public life was to try to make big Russian companies treat their shareholders properly, rather than serving the interests of bureaucrats and cronies. As a director of Gazprom, Russia’s vast gas monopoly, he attacked the practice of issuing two classes of shares, one for domestic investors and one for foreigners. That depressed the true value of the company. His own bank made tidy profits from intricate schemes through which foreigners could act as though they were Russian shareholders. Eventually, once its two-tier share system was abolished, Gazprom became one of the world’s most valuable energy companies.

        But it remained one of the worst run, much to Mr Fyodorov’s disappointment. For another of his aims was to strip away the intermediary firms that loot cashflow and assets from large Russian companies with the connivance of the management. One of his targets at Gazprom was closed down as Mr Putin and his friends gained control, but others soon took its place. Mr Fyodorov used to lament the fact that even he could not find the right phrase in Russian for “corporate governance”.

        Boris Fyodorov, a Russian economic reformer, died on November 20th, aged 50
        For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
        to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



        http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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          Hope this never materializes
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          Change of heart?: Russo-Armenian relations influenced by tilted balance in region



          Critics in Russia have lately started to voice thoughts about whether Russia should continue to further maintain the strategic level of Russian-Armenian relations. Significantly, practically for the first time this is being done by representatives of the so-called “patriotic” camp of the Russian political-scientific thought who have always advocated a further strengthening of the strategic ties along the Moscow-Yerevan axis. The change of the traditional position of “patriots” took place after the five-day Caucasus war.

          The shift in thinking is significant, as certain pundits and political analysts often act as messengers of official policy. Well-known Russian political analyst, head of the Center of Geopolitical Expertise Alexander Dugin made a sensational statement on the eve of the November 2 signing of the Moscow declaration on Nagorno-Karabakh by the presidents of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia.

          “We have reaped all benefits from our strategic alliance with Armenia,” declared Dugin.
          “A new model of relations of Turkey and Azerbaijan can be outlined now; it looks much more promising than before,” he said. “After the crisis in Georgia the situation has somewhat changed. [Azerbaijani President] Ilham Aliyev assumed a constructive position towards Russia and did not support the Georgian side, and this leaves a certain positive mark also on the Karabakh solution.”

          Indeed, after the five-day war many political analysts began to speak about Russia’s intention to build a fundamentally new geopolitical triangle – Moscow-Ankara-Baku to replace the little effective and less promising Moscow-Yerevan-Tehran axis.

          “We have reaped all benefits from our strategic alliance with Armenia, moreover, Armenia’s strategic position is that it cannot give Russia more than there is now, meanwhile very much now depends on Azerbaijan and Turkey. Therefore, for Russia now it is important to improve relations with Azerbaijan, especially that Aliyev behaved correctly and properly during the conflict in South Ossetia.” Dugin said.

          A year ago the same analyst voiced diametrically opposite thoughts. Such as: “Armenia, which is a traditional and reliable ally for Russia in the Caucasus, plays a special geopolitical role. Armenia serves as a major strategic base for preventing Turkish northward and eastward expansion to the regions of the Central Asian Turkic world. Armenia is also important in another sense. Based on historical and ethnic closeness with Iran, it is Armenia that could serve as a major link in the chain for establishing the Moscow-Yerevan-Tehran axis.”

          We now see a cardinally changed position of some serious representatives of the Russian political-scientific community. However, it is yet difficult to say how far this change reflects the change of the official viewpoint of the Russian state. It is only known that Moscow indeed has several times voiced its full satisfaction with the positions of Ankara and Baku during the August war in Georgia.

          But some Russian political scientists advocating the “old line” spoke against Dugin’s “new line”. The “old-liners” do not doubt there is a need for further strengthening the strategic relations between Yerevan and Moscow. Political analyst Natalia Narochnitskaya is one of the most consistent advocates of this direction. Besides the factor of traditional Russo-Armenian cooperation, attention is drawn to the fact that Turkey, even if secretly in any case continues to carry out its pan-Turkic policy aimed first of all at disintegrating Russia.

          “Turning a blind eye to the genocide of the Armenian people, in 1921 Lenin concluded a treaty with Turkey on friendship and fraternity, assisted it with arms and money, expecting to return Kemal Ataturk to ‘the track of world revolution’,” says Narochnitskaya. “The Karabakh conflict created by Bolsheviks can be viewed as a pure consequence of the revolution, for Bolsheviks knew well that Karabakh is a primordial Armenian land, as people’s commissar Chicherin even wrote about it then.”

          Official Ankara is interested in the strengthening of the positions of the Turkic element on the vast Eurasian space, and this interest is based on rich traditions. The strategic policy of corresponding preparations was determined by Ataturk himself. “One day Russia will lose control over peoples that it holds tight in its hands today. The world will reach a new level. And at that very moment Turkey must know what it should do.”

          In one way or another the latest events in the region had a rather strong impact also on the development of political thought in Russia, outlining new vectors of development. Some already challenge the necessity of Russo-Armenian cooperation. But others think that the factor of the presence of a “common enemy” is enough to bring the positions of Moscow and Yerevan closer together. The latter think that genuine Russo-Armenian strategic cooperation can develop only along the axis of joint overcoming of such external threats.

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            Originally posted by Federate View Post
            Hope this never materializes
            Although very unlikely, there is always a risk that Russian officials may one day have second thoughts regarding their relationship with Armenia. The realization that Armenia is a great strategic asset for Moscow is widespread amongst high level Russian officials. However, speaking in real geopolitical and economic terms, Turks have much more to offer Russians than we Armenians, some Russian politicians and analysts realize this as well. However, due to various geopolitical and historic/cultural factors, a true Russian-Turkish alliance is very unlikely in the foreseeable future. But even if such an alliance does materialize one day that doesn't necessarily mean doom for Armenia. Nonetheless, this topic underscores the paramount importance of relentlessly and effectively lobbying Armenia's case within the halls of government in Moscow.
            Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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              Is this the high profile terrorist attack many of us were expecting before Obama moved into the White House? As time progresses and more information is revealed it sure is beginning to feel like it. Regarding the terrorists: there were no political demands, there were no attempts at negotiations, there was no one taking real responsibility, there was just spectacular bloodshed - coming at a time when most Americans were home preparing to celebrate the Thanksgiving holiday, coming at a time when the "war on terror" may be shifting its mode of operations and priorities. The well organized terrorist attacks in Mumbai India, which exhibits characteristics of a false flag operation, is unmistakably an action that aims to alter the political character of the Indian subcontinent for a specific geostrategic purpose. I have no doubt that this operation will have significant geopolitical implications not only for Indian-Pakistani relations but for the entire region as well. One thing that has astounded me was the non-stop, well organized in-depth news coverage the attack was receiving by mainstream news media in the US right from the start which curiously enough began during the Thanksgiving holiday (when many Americans are home watching television programs); which leads me to believe that somebody somewhere is planning to do something big with this incident. Several days after the event, all forms of news media (television, internet, radio and paper) are still saturated by stories of the attacks and government officials and "experts" in the US are again sounding the alarm over an imminent attack on the US by Islamists wielding WMDs. Without a doubt, this is preparing the playing field for the Obama administration as it also conditions the public mindset. Regarding Islamabad, I can confidently state that the government of Pakistan would not be foolish/suicidal enough to have had a hand in this operation especially at a volatile time like this. For some reason Pakistan is being set up. The real question is: was this operation carried out to prepare the field for a potential Indian-American invasion of Pakistan? Incidentally, such a military action against Pakistan would actually be a war of choice for the Obama administration. For yet unverified reasons, the government of Pakistan, a longtime US ally and terror culprit, may be falling out of Washington's favor. As we have seen, cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan by NATO forces have been increasing in number as of late, so have bloody bombings by militants throughout Pakistan. Interesting to mention here is that Indian news sources have said some of the individuals involved in the terrorist operation may have been "British citizens" and that the physical appearance of some did not look native to the region. Moreover, the high profile Jewish factor in all this may also suggest some kind of a Mossad link, in my opinion. One particular individual that got my attention was a middle aged man named Jonathan Ehrlich making several appearances on CNN with his story of how he escaped the terrorists. The interesting part about this well composed, well spoken and self-proclaimed Jew was his very clear and oft heard political message echoing the Bush administration's "war on terror" rhetoric. It will be a good idea to pay attention to the actions/rhetoric coming out of Washington, Tel Aviv and London in the aftermath of this incident. Anyway, questions regarding who carried out this operation and why was it done won't be known for some time, if ever. Russian officials were quick, however, to claim that the terror operation was linked to "Al-Qaeda." Russian officials have also claimed in the past that Al-Qaeda have links to the CIA...

              Armenian

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              Terrorists who attacked Mumbai linked to al-Qaeda - source




              Pakistan blames 'stateless actors': http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...ari.actors.cnn

              The terrorist groups who attacked the Indian city of Mumbai are closely linked to al-Qaeda, a high-ranking Russian secret service source said Thursday. "Russian secret services have information suggesting that the groups that attacked Mumbai had had contact with al-Qaeda," the source said. "In particular, the terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba. This group's militants undergo special training in al-Qaeda camps on the border between Pakistan and India." The source also said that the Indian authorities had earlier considered the group an ordinary "criminal" gang. He also said that Russian secret services had not so far received any request to assist their Indian colleagues in the investigation into the attacks. Lashkar-e-Taiba has denied involvement in the attacks. A series of terrorist attacks were carried out in Mumbai on Wednesday, killing over 100 people and leaving over 100 injured. Terrorists armed with submachine guns and grenades attacked hotels, the railway station, a cinema, and a hospital. Indian authorities have said 125 people died and 327 were injured in the attacks. People who escaped from the hotels described the militants as young men speaking Hindi or Urdu, and said they had attempted to round up all the British and American guests. Hostages are still being held at the Oberoi-Trident hotel and a nearby xxxish centre and Indian commandoes have launched an operation to free them. A previously unknown Islamist group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen has claimed responsibility for the attacks.

              Source: http://en.rian.ru/world/20081127/118578537.html

              Mumbai terrorists used Chechen tactics





              Mumbai terrorists used Chechen tactics: http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/...echen-tactics/

              The terrorists in the Indian city of Mumbai, who killed more than 150 people and injured over 300, used the same tactics that Chechen field militants employed in the Northern Caucasus, says Russian counter terrorism presidential envoy Anatoly Safonov. In towns of the Northern Cauasus in 1990s, terrorists seized homes and hospitals and took numerous hostages. "These tactics were used during raids by militant Chechen field commanders Shamil Basayev and Salman Raduyev against the towns of Buddyonnovsk and Pervomaiskoye. For the first time in history the entire towns were terrorized, with homes and hospitals seized. The Mumbai terrorists have learned these tactics well," Safonov told Russian news agency Interfax on Thursday. Safonov says that the terror in Mumbai is proof that the anti-terror measures on a regional level are insufficient. “The world is spending enormous resources to fight nonexistent threats and to support the military adventures of the leaders of certain countries. And it turns out that a big city may be unprotected against the raid of a handful of terrorists. This is another warning that in the global world terrorism truly remains the greatest challenge," Safonov said to Interfax. He also pointed out that now it’s the task of Indian special services to track down the terrorist group behind the attack on Mumbai. Safonov said they would need to determine whether it was “a subsidiary of some prominent terrorist organization”. The presidential aide expressed hope that the Russian-Indian working group for combating terrorism will meet in the near future. "We express our support and condolences to the people of India and sympathize with the families that lost relatives and dear ones in the terrorist attack in Mumbai," Safonov said. On Thursday terrorists attacked 10 targets in Mumbai, including several five star hotels, a cafe and a railway station. Police say they have regained full control over the city.

              Source: http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/33921
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              • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                I think you cover relevant ground in your brainstorm, Armenian. The media was blaming Al-CIAda and Pakistan right off the bat, and now they have gone slightly to a position of "we don't know who is behind it". It could be disenfranchised Indian Muslims seeking revenge for attacks on them by Hindu extremists. They could also be western operatives trying to stir up trouble to justify present and future attacks inside Pakistani territory. In my opinion Pakistan has nothing to gain from this, they know India will blame them for anything right off the bat. The reason I think there is a possibility of the attackers being western operatives is, besides US/UK history of terrorist operations abroad, there were eyewitnesses to suggest that the men were not Indian and that they displayed the cold-bloodedness of trained agents in their very well-planned and well-executed commando operation.

                From this BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7752625.stm

                ["Their audaciousness was breath-taking," he says.
                "One man loaded the magazine into the gun, the other kept shooting. They appeared calm and composed. They were not in the slightest hurry. They didn't seem to be afraid at all."]

                [Then, the "foreign looking, fair skinned" men, as Mr Mishra remembers them, simply carried on killing.]

                ["They did not look Indian, they looked foreign. One of them, I thought, had blonde hair. The other had a punkish hairstyle. They were neatly dressed," says Mr Amir.]


                And even though over 90% of those killed were Indians, the media wants us to think that westerners were singled out and that this was an Islamic group closely-linked to Pakistan's ISI: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5248563.ece


                And from this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...rorists-mumbai

                [The Foreign Office is investigating reports on the Indian channel NDTV quoting Vilasrao Deshmukh, the chief minister of Maharashtra state, as saying there were British nationals among the militants arrested.]


                We'll see how this develops.

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                • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                  The second I heard of this incident from my dad, I just replied Obama. I'm happy to see the Russian sources are playing it smart by linking it to Al-Qaeda. I wonder how the Indian government will play this situation.

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                  • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                    If pakistan is the ultimate target, this would fall into place well with the theory which that guy was suggesting on obama's foreign policy shift. I forget who posted the links to the youtube video but in the interview he talked about how the focus will be shifted from Iran to pakistan among other things, as the encirclement of Russia will be a major goal of obama's brzezinski lead foreign policy crew.

                    Also, typically India has been neutral and was one of the leading nations of the non aligned movement during the cold war, but it's ties to Moscow have relativley closer than with washington, so is this a possible attempt to bring India under washington's umbrella? If this was a western backed venture and assuming the Indian security services learn of it, it doesn't mean they will turn against washington quite to the contrary they could be partially frightened into cooperation.

                    Much of this is highly sepeculative, either way though Russia should do everything to ensure India doesn't get too close to the u.s.
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                    • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                      I wouldn't give a rat's ass if they attack Pakistan. Good, America and Pakistan can kill each other. I am staunchly pro-India on all its disputes because historically they have been a friendly nation to us and continue to be. Just the other day the Indians proposed a friendly chess match between our juniors, the first of its kind in order to help boost relations further. India was also one of the 7 nations to vote against the UN resolution a few months back that asked Armenia to leave the "occupied azeri regions".

                      On the other hand, Pakistan is one of the most anti-Armenian states after the fake republic and Turkey. It refuses to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia because of Karabakh, has led votes (side by side with the baboons) against Armenia in the OIC and directly aided the baboons during the Artsakh war. In fact, I wasn't too upset with the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, one of the most pro-azerbaboon politicians out of Pakistan.
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