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    Armenians display amazing naivety by cherishing hopes on the Armenian Genocide recognition by Washington

    Seemingly today’s Turkey isn’t going to repeat the massacre but there exists Azerbaijan which has become the worthy successor of the Ottoman Empire in the Armenian issue.
    A group of Turkish intellectuals recently sent a petition letter to Armenians, apologizing publicly for the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Turkey in 191.
    The fact itself is already unique if taking into account Article 301 of Turkish Penal Code, which “promises” to arrest those who will openly discuss the Armenian Genocide. Nevertheless, professors Baskэn Oran and Ahmet Эnsel, journalists Ali Bayramoрlu and Cengiz Aktar personally apologized for the “great disaster Ottoman Armenians suffered in 1915”.

    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ According to Today’s Zaman, the intellectuals' group is calling on other people to sign the petition posted online, which reads as follows: “I cannot conscientiously accept the indifference to the great disaster that Ottoman Armenians suffered in 1915, and its denial. I reject this injustice and, acting of my own will, I share the feelings and pains of my Armenian brothers and sisters, and I apologize to them.”

    “We are apologizing for not being able to discuss the “Great Calamity” that the Armenian nation suffered in 1915, for not talking about it openly for such a long time, nearly one hundred years,” said Turkish journalist Cengiz Aktar. Meanwhile, Turkish nationalists and historians demand that the people “supporting Armenian claims of Genocide be arrested.”

    In unison with this statement Armenian intellectuals sent an open letter to Turkish President Abdullah Gul, suggesting once again recognition of the Armenian Genocide. The letter particularly states that the issue baffled the collective awareness of the Armenian and Turkish nations, and caused actions irrespective of various demands of everyday policy.

    “We all should accept that the Ottoman Empire is guilty of the massacre of the Armenian people, and modern-day Turkey bears "hereditary responsibility" for what they consider a "monumental crime against humanity”. Present-day Turkish diplomacy and propaganda machine can’t cover this dark page of history. The historic memory of our nations is deep and restless. Your generation of Turkish leaders must accept the undeniable truth and recognize the fact of the Armenian Genocide. Recognition of this indisputable fact is first of all essential for the Turkish people. Relieving this burden of history, they can turn this dark page and launch a sincere dialogue for true reconciliation,” Armenian intellectuals said in the letter.

    Such addresses are, of course, necessary but they are made for no political or time-serving reason; they are dictated by human heart. However, the mournful experience should have long sobered up that part of Armenian nation, who still, despite of the Genocide and the Nagorno Karabakh war, consider that petitions or pleas are capable of solving a problem. The European diplomats, who were witnesses of massacre in 1915-1916, acted exactly the same way. They wrote to Berlin, London, Washington and St. Petersburg, but it produced no results. They proved to be unable to change anything, and there miraculously remained only several hundred thousand Armenians in the world. And though, most likely, today’s Turkey isn’t going to repeat the massacre, there exists Azerbaijan which has become the worthy successor of the Ottoman Empire in the Armenian issue. At least, anti-Armenian articles in the Azeri press are much more than they are in Turkish papers. And it suggests much. Moreover, Baku has begun to speak of Turkey’s possible «betrayal» against her brother and her probable normalization of relations with Armenia, which in Azeri politicians’ opinion goes against the strategic goals of Official Baku.

    It is evident that present-day Turkey will never voluntarily recognize the Armenian Genocide. It is also difficult to say what or who can make her do it. Seemingly, the European Union would be unable to do it, as to all appearances Erdogan’s Government is no more eager to enter into the EU. It would be at least naive to stake on the Islamic countries too. As for Russia, it would never press on Turkey in such a complicated issue, since it is now essential for Russia to move Turkey away from the USA and attract her to her side.

    Not at all belittling the work done by the Office of «Hay Dat» towards the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide, we nevertheless consider that Armenians are amazingly naive in this issue, especially towards the new US Administration. In case Barack Obama officially recognizes the Armenian Genocide, he will have to deal not with Turkey herself, but with the xxxish and Turkish lobby that will immediately make it clear for the President that he hurried with his decision. Thus, “Hay Dat” Office Director Kiro Manoyan’s statement saying that “Recognition by the new U.S. Administration seems quite possible now” is a bit premature.

    Karine Ter-Sahakyan

    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



    http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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      Although the above article is very well put by Ms. Ter Sahakyan; but I am of course hoping that even though Obama does have to deal with the J'ewish and the turkish lobyists and as a matter of fact I was personally thinking just about this from a week ago, I am still looking forward to Res. 106 to be passed successfully next time around (hopefully by 2009).

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        Thousands Sign Turkish Apology To Armenians


        By Emil Danielyan

        Thousands of Turks have joined their prominent countrymen in publicly apologizing for the World War I-era mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.

        The unprecedented apology was initiated earlier this month by a group of 200 Turkish academics, journalists, writers and artists disagreeing with the official Turkish version of what many historians consider the first genocide of the 20th century. Their petition, entitled “I apologize,” was posted on a special website (www.ozurdiliyoruz.com) on Monday. More than 7,000 Turks signed it as of Tuesday evening, indicating their names, occupations and places of residence.

        “I cannot conscientiously accept the indifference to the Great Catastrophe that Ottoman Armenians suffered in 1915, and its denial,” reads the petition. “I reject this injustice and acting of my own will, I share the feelings and pains of my Armenian brothers and sisters, and I apologize to them.”

        The signatories were careful not to describe the Armenian massacres as genocide, a highly sensitive term resented by the Turkish state and nationalist circles. Some prominent intellectuals that have used the word have been prosecuted for “insulting Turkishness.” One of them, Turkish-Armenian newspaper editor Hrant Dink, was gunned down by a nationalist teenager in January 2007.

        The “Great Catastrophe” evoked by the authors of the petition appears to be a translation of the Armenian phrase “Mets Yeghern” frequently used with regard to the 1915 massacres.

        Turkish nationalists were quick to criticize the online apology. The Associated Press news agency reported that a group of some 60 retired Turkish diplomats issued a statement on Monday describing the move "as unfair, wrong and unfavorable to national interests." "Such an incorrect and one-sided attempt would mean disrespecting our history," the diplomats said.

        Devlet Bahceli, the leader of the opposition Nationalist Action Party said: "No one has the right to insult our ancestors, to present them as criminals and to ask for an apology."

        "We are not betraying anyone. We are merely telling the Armenians that we share their grief," countered Gila Benmayor, a journalist and columnist for the mass-circulation “Hurriyet” newspaper. Benmayor told the Associated Press that she signed the petition because she believes "the time has come for change."

        Among the intellectuals who initiated the apology is Hasan Cemal, a veteran columnist working for another leading Turkish daily, “Milliyet.” Cemal is a grandson of Ahmed Djemal Pasha, one of the three top “Young Turks” that ruled Ottoman Turkey during the final years of the empire and are believed to have masterminded the slaughter more of more than a million Ottoman Armenians.

        Djemal Pasha was assassinated by an Armenian gunman in Tbilisi in 1922. Hasan Cemal met with the assassin’s grandson when he traveled to Yerevan last September to cover Turkish President Abdullah Gul’s historic visit to Armenia.


        The petition’s signatories also include Cem Ozdemir, the ethnic Turkish leader of Germany’s Green Party.

        Thousands of Turks have joined their prominent countrymen in publicly apologizing for the World War I-era mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.
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          Aytekin Yildiz: Turkish state has to apologize
          16.12.2008 17:59 GMT+04:00

          /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The apology campaign was not only criticized by Turkish denialists, but also by some Turks who felt the statement had not gone far enough, Zaman reports.

          "It is a good starting point, but not enough. Firstly, what do they mean by saying ‘Great Catastrophe’? Let’s name it. It is genocide. Secondly, the state has to apologize," stated Aytekin Yildiz, Coordinator of the Confrontation Association.

          Historian Ayse Hur said that Turkey "has to apologize on behalf of the perpetrators and for itself, too, because it has legitimized their actions through the years."

          Another prominent Turkish intellectual said, on condition of anonymity, that the Turkish state, rather than individuals, must make the apology.

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            wow, I'm not used to hearing such words from Turks

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              I keep thinking of that saying about be careful what you wish for.

              What will happen if Turkey accepts the AG? Do we lose a trump card and what if anything would be gained for Armenia?

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                I'm thinking something similar.

                However, how effectively could they pursue their doctrine of pan-Turkism after recognizing the genocide?

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                  I am not sure that the Genocide will hinder the building of a new empire. If anything they may get smart and use it as a propoganda tool showing that they can admit the error of the past and are not the same old devil in new clothes. In either case Armenia alone will not hinder Turkish expansion, at least not for the forseable future.

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                    Haha, You should not afraid so much.

                    Anyway, Turkey is not following Pan-Turkist ideas and AKP is least nationalist party which ruled Turkey.

                    Originally posted by gmd View Post
                    I am not sure that the Genocide will hinder the building of a new empire. If anything they may get smart and use it as a propoganda tool showing that they can admit the error of the past and are not the same old devil in new clothes. In either case Armenia alone will not hinder Turkish expansion, at least not for the forseable future.
                    So what you want? I mean, If you afraid that Turkey will recognize genoside, It is easy to stop Turkey. Stop to pressure.
                    Last edited by Palavra; 12-16-2008, 01:46 PM.

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                      Originally posted by Palavra View Post
                      Haha, You should not afraid so much.

                      Anyway, Turkey is not following Pan-Turkist ideas and AKP is least nationalist party which ruled Turkey.



                      So what you want? I mean, If you afraid that Turkey will recognize genoside, It is easy to stop Turkey. Stop to pressure.
                      I think you misunderstood my initial comment. In my opinion the failure of Turkish policy in Genocide denial, for Turkey's interests, has been the empowerment of Armenians within western politics. The problem for Armenians is that this may have become a singular focus and hence a point of potential failure. I raised the point to discuss what could be hopefully achieved post recognition for the state of Armenia. The issue of moral vindication aside we Armenians need to consider what can realistically be gained from Turkey (politically) in the case that Turkey recognized the genocide. In my opinion Turkey at this point in history may gain more from Genocide recognition then it does by pursuing a denialist policy. At the same time Armenians and Armenia may lose a political tool without gaining anything more then an apology from Turkey.

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