Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Silly Because it doesn't fit your view of the "Real"'s. non the less true.
These guys are the establishment, true or not?
This LTP fool retires 2 years ago and says he's out of politics for good, and going to write a book on history, true.
He's immediately ushered back by the external powers a year ago to be the false opposition, and to give hes partners in crime oppurtinity to take the firmest control and eliminate any possibility of the true opposition (who BTW were asleep at the wheel)
Other then a few brave voices in the wild, true.
You won't want to see this because you are not for the people, just an opportunist riding the coat tales of the establishment for possible personal gain.
Now, hows about them apricots ?

What personal gains could i possibly have? i joined this "club" long before this all started back when no one knew this was gona happen. Ltp was run out of town by kocharian, what makes you think they would work togather in cognito? Your implication that the foreign powers went through the trouble of returning ltp to Armenia to be a counter weight to dashnaktsutsiun which is a irrelavent party in hayastan anyways is utterly laughable. The present government does not need help against the dashnaks, the dashnaks are weak in armenian politics so there is no need to gang up on them or to contrive a concpirasy theory.Your paranoya has reached delusional heights. I dought even you believe the crap you write.

[Haykakan]

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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...le_for_turkey/

See how this xxx commends Turkey for the protocols and praises it as a leader among Muslim countries. He also caracterises our opposition to the protocols as "bizarre" saying that if Iran wanted to discuss the holocaust with impartial historians the xxxs would be more than happy. I doubt that it is the case. xxxs would then denigrate Iran by saying that they dare questioning the veracity of the Holocaust. Besides, the historians in Turkey that we are going to sit with and the likes of Justin McCarthy are nothing close to being impartial.

Now your making sence, good analisys there.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...le_for_turkey/

See how this xxx commends Turkey for the protocols and praises it as a leader among Muslim countries. He also caracterises our opposition to the protocols as "bizarre" saying that if Iran wanted to discuss the holocaust with impartial historians the xxxs would be more than happy. I doubt that it is the case. xxxs would then denigrate Iran by saying that they dare questioning the veracity of the Holocaust. Besides, the historians in Turkey that we are going to sit with and the likes of Justin McCarthy are nothing close to being impartial.

Stephen Kinzer is an excellent author and columnist (I liked his book Crescent and Star: Turkey Between Two Worlds) Even though he's a Turkolover he's not a denier.The comparison between Israel and Armenia ? is hypothetical and I don't put much value in hypothetical scenarios.That is one of his weakest columns I 've seen..

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Silly Because it doesn't fit your view of the "Real"'s. non the less true.
These guys are the establishment, true or not?
This LTP fool retires 2 years ago and says he's out of politics for good, and going to write a book on history, true.
He's immediately ushered back by the external powers a year ago to be the false opposition, and to give hes partners in crime oppurtinity to take the firmest control and eliminate any possibility of the true opposition (who BTW were asleep at the wheel)
Other then a few brave voices in the wild, true.
You won't want to see this because you are not for the people, just an opportunist riding the coat tales of the establishment for possible personal gain.
Now, hows about them apricots ?

Dear Gavur at this late hour believe it or not the only viable option is for ALL serious opposing forces to unite and ask for resignation of the president/government. Putting aside the petty differences (and they are petty compared to what will happen if unity is not achieved) and all the past mistakes that "open old wounds."

The new coalition government would be formed, and the very first thing would be the annulment of the Turkish protocols and all the conditions that have been forced upon Armenia and the Armenian people.

The ratification process would go through since the current three parties that form the coalition government hold the majority of seats in the National Assembly and are all but "yes men" who will certainly press the green button out of concern for not getting paid by their paymaster placing the future of Armenia and the Armenian people in a very short order.

All of the provocateurs that are prevalent in opposition camps (be it the Armenian National Congress or the National Front) placed by the oligarchs and their cronies will be put in check, because they will be the first to sabotage this from ever happening, thus assuring that the fragmented opposition never unites into one ever-powerful union.

Again at this very late hour we are literally losing not only the Armenian Cause but what is left of our Homeland. Only and only when the opposition unites into one camp we can assure victory. Otherwise, all of us as Armenians, will end up defeated, one by one, and we will indeed lose what is left of our Homeland to the Turks and the ever conniving "great powers" that are anything but pro-Armenian.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

First, let us not forget that for too long the Tashnags were a part of the ruling coalition, despite its claims to be 'opposition' members and psuedo-criticisms of the 'government'.

Second, LTP has indeed proven himself to be a false opposition member, but I don't see the ARF taking a hard stance in Yerevan as they are in Los Angeles and Beirut.

Third, let's go back a few pages for some clear perspective...back when some of you acknowledged who really called the shots in Yerevan:

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

First, let us not forget that for too long the Tashnags were a part of the ruling coalition, despite its claims to be 'opposition' members and psuedo-criticisms of the 'government'.

Second, LTP has indeed proven himself to be a false opposition member, but I don't see the ARF taking a hard stance in Yerevan as they are in Los Angeles and Beirut.

Valid points, however, in both camps there are healthy forces and most of the constituencies in both camps are not blinded by the realities at hand and would demand that their leaders actually take more firmer steps in bridging their differences and unite. Literally, we do not have an alternative in stopping the ratification of the Turkish protocols - which if ratified, would turn into a legally binding international document, forestalling the Armenian Cause for years if not decades. The stakes are too high now, to look at past mistakes and grudges, all of the energy must be in trying to form this bridge of national unity.

Third, let's go back a few pages for some clear perspective...back when some of you acknowledged who really called the shots in Yerevan:

We know the Russian factor and the current so-called "reset" between Russia and the United States which led to the protocols. However, I doubt the "thaw" will last much longer as we already see Russian voices in the political establishment speaking out against letting a NATO country into its own sphere of influence.

Most importantly, we should not be fatalistic and view ourselves as only incapable observers or just simple pawns of the "great powers." The Armenian people worldwide are a power in their own right, and our power - and especially the power of our potential Unity coupled with All-Armenian determination - should not be underestimated.

[Alexandros]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations




Armenian-Turkish reconciliation process to be intensified in early 2010

15.10.2009 15:59 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenian-Turkish dialogue has been constructive so far, according to Alexander Markarov, director of Yerevan branch of the Institute of CIS Studies.

“Given the position of the Armenian ruling coalition, I do not think that there will be problems with ratification of Protocols in the RA parliament. However, I can’t say the same about the Turkish parliament. The process is likely to be intensified in early 2010,” he said.

Markarov also emphasized that if Turkey wishes to be a democracy and not to fail talks with the EU, it should ratify the document.

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[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Now I know - chess match didn’t fit to the spirit of the pre-signed outcome; the surrender “Protocol”.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

We know the Russian factor

Was this photo taken by Kharsh ?

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Good onelol, whats in Mrs. clintons pocket, milk?