Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Davo88]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

The fact that the Turks do not recognize the genocide makes it look like they are OK with what happened in 1915. So imagine that now the Armenian government has degraded to such a level that it has intentions to shake hands with them and negociate... It indirectly shows that now, the Armenian government does not really care about 1915 either.

Turkey's denial also shows that it is afraid of the many consequences such as monetary or territorial compensations.

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Actually I agree it was more than just 1.5 million including those killed after the 1918 date), in addition there were Assyrian's, Greeks and other minority groups. But what I am trying to point out is they won't even have the dignity to recognise even the widely acknowledged 1.5 million, let alone any-more.

[Davo88]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

When 1.5 million was a certain number ?

Is 1.2 million any more certain than the widely acknowledged 1.5 million? No.

So apparently from what I read and watch on the net, Sargsyan's intention to sign remains unchanged...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

You're right, it was more than 1.5 million.

I think those are only the numbers during the 20th century.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

When 1.5 million was a certain number ?

You're right, it was more than 1.5 million.

[Yakamoz]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Notice how they change the numbers? Now it is 1.2 million. So 300,000 people just vanished out of thin air. Basically that means Turkey is giving the media network some money on the side or the network is too scared to be 'controversial'.

When 1.5 million was a certain number ?

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Notice how they change the numbers? Now it is 1.2 million. So 300,000 people just vanished out of thin air. Basically that means Turkey is giving the media network some money on the side or the network is too scared to be 'controversial'.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Thousands Protest Armenian President's L.A. Visit
Armenian Community Upset President Is Warming Relations With Turkey




Thousands of Armenian-Americans protested Sunday over the visit of Armenia's president to Los Angeles outside the Beverly Hills Hilton.






BEVERLY HILLS (CBS) ― Thousands of Armenian-Americans protested Sunday over the visit of Armenia's president to Los Angeles outside the Beverly Hills Hilton.


Thousands of Armenian-Americans took to the streets of Beverly Hills to protest the visit of Armenia's president. The community is upset that Pres. Serzh Sargsyan is normalizing relations with Turkey, a country that reportedly does not recognize the Armenian genocide.

The demonstrators gathered at 3 p.m. Sunday outside the Beverly Hills Hilton where Sargsyan was visiting.

They said they want Sargsyan to pull back from an agreement to establish diplomatic ties with Turkey and reopen the common borders.

Turkey has set a precondition to the agreement that their country would not have to acknowledge the Armenian genocide occurred and would instead leave the matter in the hands of a commission that would evaluate the history between the two countries.

"We are all for open borders and open diplomatic relations with Turkey," said Armenian National Committee of America member Stepan Boyajian, adding, "But it can only happen with no preconditions...for the dialogue to move forward."

The Armenian genocide of 1915 to 1918 claimed the lives of about 1.2 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire, which became the modern republic of Turkey, though the Turkish government disputes that the genocide took place.

Turkey disputes the number of those killed and argues that Armenians were equally brutal in slaying Turks when they revolted against their Ottoman rulers and aligned themselves with invading Russian troops.

Thousands of protesters also rallied Sept. 27 in Glendale against the proposed protocols.

They object to the commission, saying it undermines the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the international community. They also object to Armenia accepting Turkey's present borders, which would preclude future territorial claims by Armenians.

http://cbs2.com/local/Armenian.protest.Beverly.2.1227516.html

(© 2008 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Wire services contributed to this report.)

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I think it is good that Turkey and Armenia are reestablishing their Diplomatic relations albeit very slowly, this will ensure the peace is being upheld along with the values of Democracy being respected between the two countries.

I believe in the long term Turkey and Armenia have quite a lot to gain as the trust begins to build.

People to people trade and goods will expand. Armenia is the country that is worst effected then Turkey. However Turkey loses out on tourists numbers from Armenia that could add the strength of the developed Turkish Tourist Industry. Turkey could have more numbers if it was to open up its market to Armenia. I do not believe that Armenia's extremely low purchasing power will have an effect on the number of tourists into Turkey from Armenia.

Armenia will slowly start developing as a result of the opening of Turkish markets which provide Armenia immense opportunities to trade with its bigger neighbour.

I support any kind of rapprochement into foreign relations between countries that have been damaged.

We should have diplomatic and commercial relationship because that is the international norm and advantages to be gained both sides. BUT

All our relationship should always be that of dealing with a snake.
Always careful, weigh ten act one.

Lose you focus and you will not get another chance.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

You are right turckey cannot do it but we were talking about hypothetical scenerios. In truth the country closest to controling the region is Russia and its control will be increasing greatly with the passing of the much debated protocals. As a matter of fact if the world was a stockmarket and countries were stocks, Russia would be the hottest stock to buy because it is set to rise bigtime in the not too distant future.