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Originally posted by Armanen View PostAnoush jan, let me ask you a rhetorical question. You have two options and can only pick one. The first is Armenia doesn't sign any documents with turkey and pursues the legal route of getting Western Armenia back. Second is Armenia signs the protocols and pursues the same goal as above, economically. Note that in both cases Armenia is taking a chance, it may or may not work out in Armenia's favor in either case. Now, which option would you pick and why?
I would much prefer not to sign the protocols, keep the status quo, see to it that Artsakh is accepted by world powers and RA by working with the Diasporan Armenians to have more countries accept the Genocide recognition and spread all over the world about the Wilson Arbitration and the legality of it. And you'll continue to have the Diasporan Armenians pouring their monies into RA. If you sign the protocols and turkey will eventually take over, I don't expect any Diasporan Armenian to keep on pouring their monies into a land that it wouldn't be much of Armenian land sooner than you think.Last edited by Anoush; 10-08-2009, 05:01 PM.
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Originally posted by Haykakan View PostHow the hell is Serj going to stand up to the whole world?
Need i remind you that our only gueranteer of our security,Russia, wants him to sign this to?
It is pretty funny when you choose to ignore what the turcks are saying on every other occasion yet this one you choose now to display.
I dont know about you but i dont need Ara Papian to tell me that western armenia should legally be oursa , i know it should be already and so does everyone else.
Your crazy if you think a man who put his life on the line during a bloody war is going to sell out that same country for political issues.
Your argument is swiss cheese its choked full of holes. Documents and treaties mean nothing, zero, zilch, nada...without power to back them up.
This document is being signed because all parties involved, including Armenia and Russia have much to gain from it.
Non of the other documents you mention can be signed without a successful war against turckey and the world is not willing to go to war with turcks yet. If Armenias leaders thought like you there would not be a Armenia today. Armenia needs to survive and build its strength and who knows one day it may have the oppertunity to get what it deserves in every way.
Read the statements of the Turkic presidents during the meeting that took place in Nakhichevan, they said that they will do their utmost to have a land link that connects all Turkic nations together.Last edited by Catharsis; 10-08-2009, 04:36 PM.
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I guess Gul and Erdogan are too busy with each other to think about Kim Kardashian.(not that it's a bad thing)
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Originally posted by Anoush View PostYou are welcomed Catharsis jan, it's just that it is overwhelmingly sad that the turks' Lausanne Treaty that was not even legit, now thanks to our government in RA, namely Serje he'll be signing away any hope that we could have had of owning again at least parts of Western Armenia. The Wilson Arbitration that was completely legitimate, this guy Serje is forever signing it off and for what? To stay good with the US and Russia. This is a complete historical blunder on our part. I simply cannot believe it.
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Originally posted by Davo88 View PostStarting Saturday, Armenia can effectively remove the picture of Ararat from the զինանշան because judging by what happen on Saturday it is never going to be ours.
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Originally posted by Catharsis View PostThank you Anoush likewise. We will be needing much of this thing that we talk about a lot but always seemingly never get to - Armenian Unity - in order to overcome the calamities that we will be facing in the coming weeks and months.
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How the hell is Serj going to stand up to the whole world? Need i remind you that our only gueranteer of our security,Russia, wants him to sign this to? It is pretty funny when you choose to ignore what the turcks are saying on every other occasion yet this one you choose now to display. I dont know about you but i dont need Ara Papian to tell me that western armenia should legally be ours , i know it should be already and so does everyone else. Your crazy if you think a man who put his life on the line during a bloody war is going to sell out that same country for political issues. Your argument is swiss cheese its choked full of holes. Documents and treaties mean nothing, zero, zilch, nada... without power to back them up. This document is being signed because all parties involved, including Armenia and Russia have much to gain from it. Non of the other documents you mention can be signed without a successful war against turckey and the world is not willing to go to war with turcks yet. If Armenias leaders thought like you there would not be a Armenia today. Armenia needs to survive and build its strength and who knows one day it may have the oppertunity to get what it deserves in every way.
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Originally posted by Anoush View PostHi Catharsis good to have met you. What do you expect from Serj Sarksyan, he was in the ranks of communists previously. What do you expect from a bloody communist? Selling out his country, nothing better from that bloody traitor.
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