Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Anoush]

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And you Haykakan, watch your language when speaking. Don't call us pathetic. Do you understand? Or we shall call you an idiot.

[Anoush]

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Quite right, Turkey was getting worried that the worldwide tide of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide was turning against them and the Truth was winning. Hence they turned to their friends in the State Department, the Swiss who actually donated to the Turkish Foreign Ministry the desk on which the Treaty of Lausanne was signed.



Ara Papian, the former Armenian ambassador to Canada, has made a very convincing case that the Armenian government has the legal right to the Arbitrary Award of president Woodrow Wilson, but because of blackmail by the above noted 'neutrals' has not pursued it. Because of the fear for legitimacy, and the events of March 1 of last year, Serge Sargsyan has bargained away our historic rights just because of a backdoor deal with these 'brokers' that the illegitimacy of his regime will not be challenged.



Before, the said awakening you need to know what is going on, and not formulate your own views as historical reality (including international laws and rights) and start calling people pathetic. Read what the Turks are saying again they need a document that will reaffirm the treaty of Lausanne, which never included the Republic of Armenia as a signitory. This is what they want, and this is what they are getting in their overwhelming joy. Gul made this very same point during the meeting of Turkic nations in Nakhichevan of all the places.

Armenia and the Armenian people are again being sacrificed on the altar of realpolitik by the 'great power' I just never thought that our own government would do this to us, since during most of the previous treaties we never really had our own state and our own leaders that would stand up for us and defend us and fight for our security/rights to the death.

Hi Catharsis good to have met you. What do you expect from Serj Sarksyan, he was in the ranks of communists previously. What do you expect from a bloody communist? Selling out his country, nothing better from that bloody traitor.

[Catharsis]

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Isnt it just so tragic, i mean really right when we had turckey under our thumb

Quite right, Turkey was getting worried that the worldwide tide of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide was turning against them and the Truth was winning. Hence they turned to their friends in the State Department, the Swiss who actually donated to the Turkish Foreign Ministry the desk on which the Treaty of Lausanne was signed.

with our polititions in place and everything who were going to make turckey give us all of western armenia, and recognize the genocide and give us raparations..then in comes that evile Serje and takes it all away from us. You guys are pathetic!

Ara Papian, the former Armenian ambassador to Canada, has made a very convincing case that the Armenian government has the legal right to the Arbitrary Award of president Woodrow Wilson, but because of blackmail by the above noted 'neutrals' has not pursued it. Because of the fear for legitimacy, and the events of March 1 of last year, Serge Sargsyan has bargained away our historic rights just because of a backdoor deal with these 'brokers' that the illegitimacy of his regime will not be challenged.

Instead of living in reality you persist to exist in a dream state of your own. Waking up may be unpleasent but atleast its real.

Before, the said awakening you need to know what is going on, and not formulate your own views as historical reality (including international laws and rights) and start calling people pathetic. Read what the Turks are saying again they need a document that will reaffirm the treaty of Lausanne, which never included the Republic of Armenia as a signitory. This is what they want, and this is what they are getting in their overwhelming joy. Gul made this very same point during the meeting of Turkic nations in Nakhichevan of all the places.

Armenia and the Armenian people are again being sacrificed on the altar of realpolitik by the 'great power' I just never thought that our own government would do this to us, since during most of the previous treaties we never really had our own state and our own leaders that would stand up for us and defend us and fight for our security/rights to the death.

[Parskahay]

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Isnt it just so tragic, i mean really right when we had turckey under our thumb with our polititions in place and everything who were going to make turckey give us all of western armenia, and recognize the genocide and give us raparations.. then in comes that evile Serje and takes it all away from us. You guys are pathetic! Instead of living in reality you persist to exist in a dream state of your own. Waking up may be unpleasent but atleast its real.

i agree with you but i hope something weakens turkey someday like they start a war with iran or we attack with greece with two pronged strategy or a natural things hits turkey like very bad floods and earthquakes

[Haykakan]

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Isnt it just so tragic, i mean really right when we had turckey under our thumb with our polititions in place and everything who were going to make turckey give us all of western armenia, and recognize the genocide and give us raparations.. then in comes that evile Serje and takes it all away from us. You guys are pathetic! Instead of living in reality you persist to exist in a dream state of your own. Waking up may be unpleasent but atleast its real.

[Catharsis]

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Haykakan I have said what was needed to be said. It is hopeless to continue with you because nothing will change your mind. You seem convinced that the protocols are a right thing to do. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion.

Armenia gives up nothing? Let me say this.
Starting Saturday, Armenia can effectively remove the picture of Ararat from the զինանշան because judging by what happen on Saturday it is never going to be ours, it'll always be under Turkish hands. Armenia can also remove the emblems of the four historic Armenian dynasties because it won't be the same anymore.

Protocols will Reaffirm Lausanne Treaty, Says Davutoglu

ANKARA (Hurriyet)—The Armenia-Turkey protocols will reaffirm Turkey’s borders with Armenia as outlined by the Lausanne Treaty of 1923, said Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu during a press conference Thursday.

In response to a question about the comparisons made between Turkey’s Lausanne Treaty and the protocols with Armenia, the minister added that the protocols are an agreement with Armenia outlining bi-lateral relations.

The protocols are expected to be signed by foreign ministers of Turkey and Armenia in Zurich on Saturday. Davutoglu asserted that the specifics of the ceremony are to be announced by the Swiss foreign ministry.

“Do not look to voices coming from the [Armenian] diaspora, or from other places. Everything is running its natural course. There is no surprise development on our part concerning this issue, but this is naturally a statement that should be made by Switzerland due to its position,” Davutoglu told a joint press conference along with his Hungarian counterpart, Peter Balazs, in Ankara.

Switzerland is expected to make a statement clarifying the details with regard to the signing ceremony, including its venue and the participants.

Turkish diplomats, however, made assurances that the signing ceremony would take place. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Russia at the ministerial level are expected to be present at the ceremony, though it has not been confirmed officially.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced earlier that the protocols would be signed Saturday, although this has not been officially confirmed by Armenia.

“Let’s wait for a statement from the Swiss,” Davutoglu said.

Questioned about Turkey’s participation in the process, Davutoglu said, “Of course, Turkey has basic principles on the issue of participation, which is known by the parties. We believe that all of these parties will calmly reach a solution.”

Replying to another question on the soccer match between the Turkish and Armenian national teams in Bursa on Oct. 14, the minister said Ankara expected President Serzh Sarkisian to come to Turkey to watch the national match with no preconditions.

Davutoglu recalled Turkish President Abdullah Gul’s visit to Yerevan last year to watch the match and said the president demonstrated big political courage that led to positive results.

“Now, similarly, we would like Mr. Sarkisian to come to Turkey with no preconditions, with no expectations. It is not even correct to make this an issue of discussion. Sporting matches are such where fairness, friendship and humanitarian communities come to the fore. From this perspective, we expect Mr. Sarkisian to come to Turkey and we believe that will happen,” said Davutoglu.

Asked about Thursday’s meeting between the Azerbaijani and Armenian presidents in Moldova to discuss the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute, the minister said, “We naturally expect positive results.”

[Anoush]

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Karo, unfortunately Turkey is the more dominant economy between us two (especially if Turkey's accession to the EU becomes a reality) so if anybody is going to take over anyone's businesses it's going to be Turkey. Armenia is effectively going to fall under Turkish influence because of this one signature by our genius leaders. Plus, considering the position of 90% of the Armenian diaspora about the protocols do you really think that anyone would be interested in putting their money in Turkey? If Western Armenia already is supposed to belong to us, why would we start from scratch anyway?



This is especially a problem in Armenia.

Anyway Haykakan, about the benefits to Armenia, what do you want me to say... The benefits are not worth the concessions we are making through these protocols! What is better? Finding a job where you make 50$ per week? Or waiting a little and getting a million dollars per year? It's the concession that we are making.

Forget it Davo jan, Haygakan does not understand or care to understand this simple and vital cause of ours and the dire concessions that Armenia will be making to the bloody turks.

Ամենուրէք Հայոց աշխարհը իրար անցած է բայց ինքը տակաւին կը շարունակէ հաւատալ այդ անիծապատ անիծուած սեւ արիւնով թրծտուած բրոդոքոլին: Ճէհեննէմ երդար այդ բրոդոքոլն ալ Սերճ ըսուածն ալ:

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Pictures from the protest in Lebanon

[Davo88]

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Haykakan I have said what was needed to be said. It is hopeless to continue with you because nothing will change your mind. You seem convinced that the protocols are a right thing to do. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion.

Armenia gives up nothing? Let me say this.
Starting Saturday, Armenia can effectively remove the picture of Ararat from the զինանշան because judging by what happen on Saturday it is never going to be ours, it'll always be under Turkish hands. Armenia can also remove the emblems of the four historic Armenian dynasties because it won't be the same anymore.