Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Alexandros]

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Azerbaijan bristles at Turkey after Armenia pact

11 October 2009, Sunday

AP BAKU

Azerbaijan has criticized the agreement between Turkey and Armenia saying it aggravates the dispute over its breakaway enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The Azeri Foreign Ministry said Sunday that the agreement "clouds the spirit of brotherly relations" between Azerbaijan and Turkey. It said Turkey should not have re-established diplomatic ties with Armenia before the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh was settled.

Armenia and Turkey agreed Saturday to establish diplomatic relations and open their border, which was sealed after the 1993 Armenian invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh, an area dominated by ethnic Armenians.

Azerbaijan and Turkey share cultural and linguistic ties, and Turkish leaders pledged earlier to help Azeris recover the enclave.

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[londontsi]

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You are even bigermoron than I thought.....

In this moment of despair I will spend a few seconds and
pass judgement and say I tend to agree.

[Mukuch]

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Well said.

I wonder why turk liked so much that attitude

[Catharsis]

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Yes, that makes sense. Would you agree that of the three peoples: Armenians, Greeks, and turks, that the turks had more power?

I think they had more "power" in a sense that, if we count from the time of the Seljuk Turks, although their statehood is much younger to that of our own (which has a span of many thousands of years), we had lost our statehood in 1375, and with it much of our political and diplomatic core. We were not completely, unskilled in diplomacy, however, the hundreds of years of foreign dominion with the accompanying lack of statehood and serious socio-political institutions cost as dearly in terms of making crucial mistakes that were played upon by the Turkish side during this period.

The same scenario in many regards is prevalent in Armenia today, because so far we have failed to develop a strong diplomatic tradition, especially when it comes to foreign affairs and now we can see how crucial of an aspect this is for the ongoing growth and development of a viable state.

Same can be said of the Greek policies during the early 1920s which included several errors that can be at least partially explained by the fact that although the Greeks did restore their statehood in the first half of the 19th century, in many regards, it was still a much shorter lived tradition in terms of the accompanying competent foreign and domestic policies. The mistakes made by the Greek side also resulted in territorial losses to the Turkish side.

[Mukuch]

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Mukuch jan, I heard that it was postponed for creating games and fool the Diasporan Armenians. It was all a mean game. We could call hence Serje the turk and the second Vasak Syuni of our poor nation.

It's not enough I just lost "im sireli mayrige" and now with Armenia and possibly Artsakh too. It's doubly sad sad day for me.

No it was postponed becaus turks didnt like the Nalbandyans post signing declaration (statment). That why there was no declaration. Turrks won again.

[Catharsis]

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I hope they do it as soon as possible!

Additionally to the discord in the Republican party - the 12 parties that have united in opposition will also demand this most probably during the next rally on October 16, 2009 at Charlez Aznavour square in front of the Moscow movie theater. The discussions about this are ongoing (the oligarchic establishment will of course try to sabotage this), most are already in favor for this demand because of the October 9, 2009 statement of the National Front (which includes 60+ parties and organizations) that if the protocols are signed they will surely demand his resignation. By this time, Sargsyan is also scheduled to sign the protocols in Turkey during the Armenia-Turkey soccer game (October 14, 2009), as many have pointed out that day will include not one, but two (one utmost crucial) defeats by the Armenian 'team.'

[Anoush]

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Yes it was postponded for 3 hours

Mukuch jan, I heard that it was postponed for creating games and fool the Diasporan Armenians. It was all a mean game. We could call hence Serje the turk and the second Vasak Syuni of our poor nation.

It's not enough I just lost "im sireli mayrige" and now with Armenia and possibly Artsakh too. It's doubly sad sad day for me.

[Mukuch]

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It's great; but did it really happen?

Can you find a source backing up this news please?

Thank you.

Yes it was postponded for 3 hours

[Mukuch]

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Yes because we must use this to take over Turkey.

This is to every one, come together with your friends and family and all together collect money the half of it invest it in Armenia and with the rest go buy a business in Turkey. With that we can take over little by little the enemy. We must do what they want to do with us. Let's take over everything and move after a couple of years to Armenia and use the profit to build our country. It's time to get in to action.

You are even bigermoron than I thought.....

[Anoush]

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I don't know what protocols you have read but it is obvious that you are looking at this from a purely emotional angle which is exactly what you should not be doing. Either way, you are entitled to your opinion.

I am of course speaking about the protocols that are written right above this thread, go ahead and read it once, twice and three times. Yeah I see you are mimicking Haykakan to label me as emotional, but before I get into an emotional state as you and Haykakan are lavishly labelling me; I have read and digested with all that was said in here and in the Armenian news. Make sure that you don't get emotionally involved to make your bucks after the protocols are signed and fully initialled.

I still find the protocols to be deadly for our nation and for Artsakh. Today is a day of mourning for Armenians in the Motherland and in the Diaspora.