Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Protocol signing postponed upon Armenia side’s initiative
10.10.2009 21:13 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Signing of Armenian-Turkish Protocols was postponed upon Armenian side’s initiative, U.S. State Department representative Ian Kelley said. There are unconfirmed data that RA FM Edward Nalbandyan terminated meeting with U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton, a PanARMENIAN.Net correspondent reports from Zurich. Presumably, Armenian side failed to reach agreement with Turkey at the last moment. Hillary Clinton who was on her way to Zurich University returned to hotel.

Earlier, Swiss Foreign Ministry reported that Protocol signing had been postponed. It is unknown whether documents will be signed at all. The Protocols were to have been signed in presence Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey since Switzerland is a mediator in negotiation between Armenia and Turkey.

U.S. State Hillary Clinton, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, Armenia’s Ambassador to Switzerland Charles Aznavour and Turkey’s Ambassador to Switzerland Oguz Demiralp have arrived in Switzerland to participate in the ceremony.

It's great; but did it really happen?

Can you find a source backing up this news please?

Thank you.

[KarotheGreat]

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I posted this on an other forum I'll post it here as well

I don't know if this is the right thread for it but what are we going to do about all of this? Haven't we(Armenian Nationalists) not learned enough from history to let it being repeated again?

in the 90's there was a perfect window of opportunity to take over the control of the country in the back round. What was needed nothing more than money. I'm not kidding you that's all that it needed to take over a country.

Let me tell you what I mean by that is when you control the economy pf the country you control the country it self. Why weren't people fro America doing what the Russians are doing today. Why are we letting the Russians take over our economy as a nation we can't have our economy being controlled by outsiders.

When you turn on the tv you see people talk about how bad things are, all those rich Armenians living in America. But where were they when they were needed and they could have taken the country.

Now what we need to do is stop this pointless bickering that is going on and start doing something. We can't do much about these protocols, how much we want to do we can't. it's all up to the president what is going to happen.

But what we must do is take over our country(not talking about a revolution), take over it's economy. Make sure that money is moving though the hands of nationalists Who don't only think about their pockets.

And I also see an opportunity in starting getting our lands back one way or an other. We haven't done anything to get those lands back. We talk about getting them back but we never do anything about it. We need to posses this land that is being occupied by our enemies. We need to go there and buy up land, houses, everything we can buy. I know it maybe sounds foolish but right now we can't do anything else.

So what we need to do is start buying parts of companies start investing i big companies little by little we'll gain ground and everything will grow as an snowball.

When I first heard the news I swore I would do everything in my power to destroy Turkey but I can't do it alone I need every nationalist to work towards that goal.

[Armanen]

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Exactly, that is my point. As I said earlier, the reason for Lausanne, was NOT that the British and the French were demolarized as you said, but that they got what they wanted and in the meanwhile the Greeks and the Armenians were sacrificed to Kemal.



Same as above, the actual reason was not because of exhaustion, but rather they divided up the Ottoman Empire and got what they were after.



They were quite successful occupying Turkey for years. They also for decades held the formerly Ottoman possessions in primarily Arab lands. Was it not for World War II, they would probably hold it for much longer.

Yes, that makes sense. Would you agree that of the three peoples: Armenians, Greeks, and turks, that the turks had more power?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Armenia-Turkey Protocols signed in Zurich
10.10.2009 23:20 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenia’s Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu signed the Protocols envisaging normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations on Saturday.

As a PanARMENIAN.Net correspondent reported from Zurich, the ceremony took place in presence of Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, Armenia’s Ambassador to Switzerland Charles Aznavour and Turkey’s Ambassador to Switzerland Oguz Demiral, Slovenia's Foreign Minister, Chair of CoE Committee of Ministers Samuel Zbogar.

It is over..... for now....

Yes because we must use this to take over Turkey.

This is to every one, come together with your friends and family and all together collect money the half of it invest it in Armenia and with the rest go buy a business in Turkey. With that we can take over little by little the enemy. We must do what they want to do with us. Let's take over everything and move after a couple of years to Armenia and use the profit to build our country. It's time to get in to action.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Armenia-Turkey Protocols signed in Zurich
10.10.2009 23:20 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenia’s Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu signed the Protocols envisaging normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations on Saturday.

As a PanARMENIAN.Net correspondent reported from Zurich, the ceremony took place in presence of Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, Armenia’s Ambassador to Switzerland Charles Aznavour and Turkey’s Ambassador to Switzerland Oguz Demiral, Slovenia's Foreign Minister, Chair of CoE Committee of Ministers Samuel Zbogar.

It is over..... for now....

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Protocol signing postponed upon Armenia side’s initiative
10.10.2009 21:13 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Signing of Armenian-Turkish Protocols was postponed upon Armenian side’s initiative, U.S. State Department representative Ian Kelley said. There are unconfirmed data that RA FM Edward Nalbandyan terminated meeting with U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton, a PanARMENIAN.Net correspondent reports from Zurich. Presumably, Armenian side failed to reach agreement with Turkey at the last moment. Hillary Clinton who was on her way to Zurich University returned to hotel.

Earlier, Swiss Foreign Ministry reported that Protocol signing had been postponed. It is unknown whether documents will be signed at all. The Protocols were to have been signed in presence Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey since Switzerland is a mediator in negotiation between Armenia and Turkey.

U.S. State Hillary Clinton, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, Armenia’s Ambassador to Switzerland Charles Aznavour and Turkey’s Ambassador to Switzerland Oguz Demiralp have arrived in Switzerland to participate in the ceremony.

YESSSS!!!!!!!

do you have link to source?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

The Treaty of Versailles had very steep reparations for the defeated Central Powers. By 1923 the noted financial losses of the Great War were reimbursed as vast segments of territories (including resource rich overseas colonies), had already paid off huge dividends to both the British and French.



As I said above, the noted reparations by 1923 had already eliminated this. In fact the reparations were in trillions. A key defeated nation of Germany in fact was so depleted that many argue that the reparations as stipulated by the Treaty of Versailles were so high that they laid the seeds for discontent throughout Germany and a revanchist spirit that eventually led to World War II.



It was worth it, because the British and the French got what they wanted which included the possession of all of the Arab domains that were formerly part of Turkey/Ottoman Empire. The Turks, dethroned of their empire and the sultan, were suppose to have a state in Anatolia along with Armenians and Greeks. However, Mustapha Kemal, was able to not only keep all of Anatolia for the Turks, but also parts of Thrace (with vital Constantinople) and even territories like Kars and Ardahan that were part of "Russian Armenia" and were an integral part of the First Republic of Armenia.

So in 1923 they had gained they loses back but at that time there was no reason to go and help the Armenians who were a Soviet republic at that time. And before 1923 the Allies couldn't risk to go to war, they had almost bankrupted their countries with WW1, it was even the beginning of the end for Britain. The people didn't want to go to war, no one could have convinced them to go to war again. And like Armanen told the Spanish flue was spreading through Europe.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Protocol signing postponed upon Armenia side’s initiative
10.10.2009 21:13 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Signing of Armenian-Turkish Protocols was postponed upon Armenian side’s initiative, U.S. State Department representative Ian Kelley said. There are unconfirmed data that RA FM Edward Nalbandyan terminated meeting with U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton, a PanARMENIAN.Net correspondent reports from Zurich. Presumably, Armenian side failed to reach agreement with Turkey at the last moment. Hillary Clinton who was on her way to Zurich University returned to hotel.

Earlier, Swiss Foreign Ministry reported that Protocol signing had been postponed. It is unknown whether documents will be signed at all. The Protocols were to have been signed in presence Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey since Switzerland is a mediator in negotiation between Armenia and Turkey.

U.S. State Hillary Clinton, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, Armenia’s Ambassador to Switzerland Charles Aznavour and Turkey’s Ambassador to Switzerland Oguz Demiralp have arrived in Switzerland to participate in the ceremony.

[KarotheGreat]

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The deal has been delayed the last minute, apparently by the Armenian side. It's unbelievable.

Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs
By ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS and BRADLEY S. KLAPPER – 27 minutes ago

ZURICH — The signing of an accord to restore diplomatic ties between Turkey and Armenia was delayed at the last minute Saturday due to concerns over the wording of the final statement the parties will make.

U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Rodham Clinton abruptly returned to her hotel just before she was to attend the signing ceremony.

"We're facilitating the two sides on coming to an agreement on the statements they are going to make at the ceremony," said State Department spokesman Ian Kelley.

Diplomats said the Armenians were concerned about wording in the Turkish statement that was to be made after the signing ceremony.

An aide to Clinton was meeting with the Armenians and was talking by telephone with the Turks to work out the problem, said the diplomats, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...womhgD9B8AQCG0

I hope they release some news very soon, and what will those people say that called our government traitors?

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

The deal has been delayed the last minute, apparently by the Armenian side. It's unbelievable.

Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs
By ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS and BRADLEY S. KLAPPER – 27 minutes ago

ZURICH — The signing of an accord to restore diplomatic ties between Turkey and Armenia was delayed at the last minute Saturday due to concerns over the wording of the final statement the parties will make.

U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Rodham Clinton abruptly returned to her hotel just before she was to attend the signing ceremony.

"We're facilitating the two sides on coming to an agreement on the statements they are going to make at the ceremony," said State Department spokesman Ian Kelley.

Diplomats said the Armenians were concerned about wording in the Turkish statement that was to be made after the signing ceremony.

An aide to Clinton was meeting with the Armenians and was talking by telephone with the Turks to work out the problem, said the diplomats, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...womhgD9B8AQCG0