Armenian-Turkish Relations

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

KarotheGreat,

The reason why all of this is happening in the diaspora is that the protocols are not simply an issue that concerns the Republic of Armenia and its current rulers, it concerns all Armenians whether inside or outside the borders. And the people who are discussing the protocols are precisely those who care most. We are all part of the same nation after all, we can all have our input. That is also the reason (or the advertised reason) why Sargsyan made a tour of the diaspora.

Serj went to the diaspora to explain why he was doing it, not to ask the permission of the diaspora. Yes it concerns all of the Armenians but not when the decision is made now it's time to think about the next step. And not to put our head in the sand like the Diaspora is doing and has been doing.

Besides, the diaspora has made considerable contributions to the country throughout the years, whether it was by keeping the spirit of Armenia alive during the Soviet years, helping during the earthquakes, the Artsakh war, and so on. However you make it look like the diaspora essentially does not care about the betterment of Armenia.

The Armenians didn't need you to keep the spirits high they were capable of doing it them selfs and they have done it. It's thanks to them that there is a Armenia today. It would be sad if they didn't do anything during the earthquake. However they could have done so much more, but they aren't willing to spend a lot of money on Armenia. The only thing they do is build a school or two and think everything is OK. And are you kidding me about the war, the war was fought by Hayastani and Artsakhi Hayer. There were more people from my home city gone fighting than there were from the Diaspora. More people from my neighborhood went to fight than from Lebanon came to fight. So in my eyes the Diaspora has done the minimum to help Armenia. And how many of those from the diaspora are prepared to go and live there. Not many are prepared to give up their lives and go to their home land.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Well for the same reasons I stated before, I think it's very clear. Plus do you think that for example the Russians will need to keep soldiers stationed on the Turkish-Armenian border, or having any soldiers at all in Armenia? No. Moreover a lot of the things currently operated by Russians will eventually be bought out by the Turks. They'll be the ones having projects in Armenia not Russia.

Again you make statements based on nothing. I am begining to dought you rational ability now but i will still answer your question even if it is redundent. Since russia needs to protect its interests in Armenia and to maintain the antiturkish wedge, it will keep a sizeable military presence inside Armenia and it will defend its borders.Russia has to sell the infastructure for turckey to buy it and it is not going to sell it because it wants to control it. Please think about what is already posted, it is self explanitory.

[Davo88]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Well for the same reasons I stated before, I think it's very clear. Plus do you think that for example the Russians will need to keep soldiers stationed on the Turkish-Armenian border, or having any soldiers at all in Armenia? No. Moreover a lot of the things currently operated by Russians will eventually be bought out by the Turks. They'll be the ones having projects in Armenia not Russia.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I seriously doubt that this is how it'll go.

Ok you cant just say that without a explanation or reason. This is like saying i seriously dought the sun will rise today. Like why do you think that has to be in there somewhere.

[Davo88]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

KarotheGreat,

The reason why all of this is happening in the diaspora is that the protocols are not simply an issue that concerns the Republic of Armenia and its current rulers, it concerns all Armenians whether inside or outside the borders. And the people who are discussing the protocols are precisely those who care most. We are all part of the same nation after all, we can all have our input. That is also the reason (or the advertised reason) why Sargsyan made a tour of the diaspora.

Besides, the diaspora has made considerable contributions to the country throughout the years, whether it was by keeping the spirit of Armenia alive during the Soviet years, helping during the earthquakes, the Artsakh war, and so on. However you make it look like the diaspora essentially does not care about the betterment of Armenia.

Russias influence over Armenia will not just last long after the protocal but it will increase as well. No matter what agreement Armenia signs, the only gueranteer of its security is Russia. The turcks would love to cut out the middleman (thats us and russia) and will destroy Armenia with great pleasure then just as they would like to now. So you can easily see how Armenias dependence on Russia does not diminish. Plus of course there will be more russian investment thus control of Armenias infustructure as well.

I seriously doubt that this is how it'll go.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Most of us are too young to start investments or businesses in Armenia. We know there are wealthy Armenians out there, the question is where were they. Perhaps they got wealthy by selling us out as well.

You are never to young and every bits help. I for one I'm 19 years old and collecting every penny I can to invest in Armenia once I'm there. it will not be millions but it could be a couple of hundred of euros. And if I wasn't along there were ten people who did that thats thousands of dollars. And if we do it every year that's a lot of money after a couple of years. And the money you invest will bring profit and you can invest that too.

You say the people can do nothing but that isn't how a democracy works. If the government is acting to please other nations which we know it is, then it isn't sovereign, democratic or independent. We know Armenia isn't any of these yet the world stands by and pretends it is. The US, UK, Russia, Israel all have more influence in the caucuses than Armenia does. Russia is the only one fighting off the Zionist invasion.

The majority of the parliament agrees with the protocols, so democracy works. And in this day and age there are very few independent countries left. Let's work that we can give Armenia that status one day. And about the influence we need money and military power for that, and military power comes through money (buying better weapons, spending more money on the training of the soldiers...)

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Some funny stuff I've seen the last couple of days. All those people living outside Armenia telling the country how it should act. Don't you think that it's funny, those people don't even have the plan to move to Armenia. I got a question to all those people on this site and outside where were you when the Russians were buying parts of Armenian economy? Why weren't you and your friends coming together and collecting money and starting businesses in Hayastan?

Don't start blaming the president for doing what he's doing, I don't think many of you would act any different when you were in his place. I hope you don't get me wrong, I'm also against the protocols. But the difference is that I know that I can't do anything about it. The decision has been made so get used to it.

Now it's time to get involved in Hayastan and I really mean involved. Not sending 10 bucks every thanks giving to Hayastan but going there and investing in the countries industry and economy make that there is money coming in the country. It's time to go and buy over the economy of Turkey and so we can use it against them one day. It's time to buy land in the lands that we have lost. Some of you speak of Western Armenia but don't realize that we don't control one inch of it. Not even one rock belongs to Armenians.

The time has come to start destroying our enemy and create a mighty Hayastan. It's not the time to start a civil war or anything else. The situation in todays world is forcing us to sign the protocols. US, Eu and Russian are working on this one. and what can our president do against the power of those tree? Nothing he can do nothing.

In stead of protesting in the streets go and collect money and invest the country and take over the country. Why is it that our congac is being made by Frenchman? Or that most of the economy is in the hand of the Russians? Because the Armenians in the diaspora weren't ready to put money in Armenia.

Now think what you will do after reading what I've written.

Most of us are too young to start investments or businesses in Armenia. We know there are wealthy Armenians out there, the question is where were they. Perhaps they got wealthy by selling us out as well.

You say the people can do nothing but that isn't how a democracy works. If the government is acting to please other nations which we know it is, then it isn't sovereign, democratic or independent. We know Armenia isn't any of these yet the world stands by and pretends it is. The US, UK, Russia, Israel all have more influence in the caucuses than Armenia does. Russia is the only one fighting off the Zionist invasion.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Some funny stuff I've seen the last couple of days. All those people living outside Armenia telling the country how it should act. Don't you think that it's funny, those people don't even have the plan to move to Armenia. I got a question to all those people on this site and outside where were you when the Russians were buying parts of Armenian economy? Why weren't you and your friends coming together and collecting money and starting businesses in Hayastan?

Don't start blaming the president for doing what he's doing, I don't think many of you would act any different when you were in his place. I hope you don't get me wrong, I'm also against the protocols. But the difference is that I know that I can't do anything about it. The decision has been made so get used to it.

Now it's time to get involved in Hayastan and I really mean involved. Not sending 10 bucks every thanks giving to Hayastan but going there and investing in the countries industry and economy make that there is money coming in the country. It's time to go and buy over the economy of Turkey and so we can use it against them one day. It's time to buy land in the lands that we have lost. Some of you speak of Western Armenia but don't realize that we don't control one inch of it. Not even one rock belongs to Armenians.

The time has come to start destroying our enemy and create a mighty Hayastan. It's not the time to start a civil war or anything else. The situation in todays world is forcing us to sign the protocols. US, Eu and Russian are working on this one. and what can our president do against the power of those tree? Nothing he can do nothing.

In stead of protesting in the streets go and collect money and invest the country and take over the country. Why is it that our congac is being made by Frenchman? Or that most of the economy is in the hand of the Russians? Because the Armenians in the diaspora weren't ready to put money in Armenia.

Now think what you will do after reading what I've written.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Okay, but who says that Russia's current influence in Armenia will last long after the protocols?

Russias influence over Armenia will not just last long after the protocal but it will increase as well. No matter what agreement Armenia signs, the only gueranteer of its security is Russia. The turcks would love to cut out the middleman (thats us and russia) and will destroy Armenia with great pleasure then just as they would like to now. So you can easily see how Armenias dependence on Russia does not diminish. Plus of course there will be more russian investment thus control of Armenias infustructure as well.

[Davo88]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Okay, but who says that Russia's current influence in Armenia will last long after the protocols?