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  • #1121
    Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    Isnt it just so tragic, i mean really right when we had turckey under our thumb
    Quite right, Turkey was getting worried that the worldwide tide of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide was turning against them and the Truth was winning. Hence they turned to their friends in the State Department, the Swiss who actually donated to the Turkish Foreign Ministry the desk on which the Treaty of Lausanne was signed.

    with our polititions in place and everything who were going to make turckey give us all of western armenia, and recognize the genocide and give us raparations..then in comes that evile Serje and takes it all away from us. You guys are pathetic!
    Ara Papian, the former Armenian ambassador to Canada, has made a very convincing case that the Armenian government has the legal right to the Arbitrary Award of president Woodrow Wilson, but because of blackmail by the above noted 'neutrals' has not pursued it. Because of the fear for legitimacy, and the events of March 1 of last year, Serge Sargsyan has bargained away our historic rights just because of a backdoor deal with these 'brokers' that the illegitimacy of his regime will not be challenged.

    Instead of living in reality you persist to exist in a dream state of your own. Waking up may be unpleasent but atleast its real.
    Before, the said awakening you need to know what is going on, and not formulate your own views as historical reality (including international laws and rights) and start calling people pathetic. Read what the Turks are saying again they need a document that will reaffirm the treaty of Lausanne, which never included the Republic of Armenia as a signitory. This is what they want, and this is what they are getting in their overwhelming joy. Gul made this very same point during the meeting of Turkic nations in Nakhichevan of all the places.

    Armenia and the Armenian people are again being sacrificed on the altar of realpolitik by the 'great power' I just never thought that our own government would do this to us, since during most of the previous treaties we never really had our own state and our own leaders that would stand up for us and defend us and fight for our security/rights to the death.

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    • #1122
      Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

      Originally posted by Catharsis View Post
      Quite right, Turkey was getting worried that the worldwide tide of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide was turning against them and the Truth was winning. Hence they turned to their friends in the State Department, the Swiss who actually donated to the Turkish Foreign Ministry the desk on which the Treaty of Lausanne was signed.



      Ara Papian, the former Armenian ambassador to Canada, has made a very convincing case that the Armenian government has the legal right to the Arbitrary Award of president Woodrow Wilson, but because of blackmail by the above noted 'neutrals' has not pursued it. Because of the fear for legitimacy, and the events of March 1 of last year, Serge Sargsyan has bargained away our historic rights just because of a backdoor deal with these 'brokers' that the illegitimacy of his regime will not be challenged.



      Before, the said awakening you need to know what is going on, and not formulate your own views as historical reality (including international laws and rights) and start calling people pathetic. Read what the Turks are saying again they need a document that will reaffirm the treaty of Lausanne, which never included the Republic of Armenia as a signitory. This is what they want, and this is what they are getting in their overwhelming joy. Gul made this very same point during the meeting of Turkic nations in Nakhichevan of all the places.

      Armenia and the Armenian people are again being sacrificed on the altar of realpolitik by the 'great power' I just never thought that our own government would do this to us, since during most of the previous treaties we never really had our own state and our own leaders that would stand up for us and defend us and fight for our security/rights to the death.
      Hi Catharsis good to have met you. What do you expect from Serj Sarksyan, he was in the ranks of communists previously. What do you expect from a bloody communist? Selling out his country, nothing better from that bloody traitor.

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      • #1123
        Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

        And you Haykakan, watch your language when speaking. Don't call us pathetic. Do you understand? Or we shall call you an idiot.

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        • #1124
          Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

          Originally posted by Anoush View Post
          Hi Catharsis good to have met you. What do you expect from Serj Sarksyan, he was in the ranks of communists previously. What do you expect from a bloody communist? Selling out his country, nothing better from that bloody traitor.
          Thank you Anoush likewise. We will be needing much of this thing that we talk about a lot but always seemingly never get to - Armenian Unity - in order to overcome the calamities that we will be facing in the coming weeks and months.

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          • #1125
            Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

            How the hell is Serj going to stand up to the whole world? Need i remind you that our only gueranteer of our security,Russia, wants him to sign this to? It is pretty funny when you choose to ignore what the turcks are saying on every other occasion yet this one you choose now to display. I dont know about you but i dont need Ara Papian to tell me that western armenia should legally be ours , i know it should be already and so does everyone else. Your crazy if you think a man who put his life on the line during a bloody war is going to sell out that same country for political issues. Your argument is swiss cheese its choked full of holes. Documents and treaties mean nothing, zero, zilch, nada... without power to back them up. This document is being signed because all parties involved, including Armenia and Russia have much to gain from it. Non of the other documents you mention can be signed without a successful war against turckey and the world is not willing to go to war with turcks yet. If Armenias leaders thought like you there would not be a Armenia today. Armenia needs to survive and build its strength and who knows one day it may have the oppertunity to get what it deserves in every way.
            Hayastan or Bust.

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            • #1126
              Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

              Originally posted by Catharsis View Post
              Thank you Anoush likewise. We will be needing much of this thing that we talk about a lot but always seemingly never get to - Armenian Unity - in order to overcome the calamities that we will be facing in the coming weeks and months.
              You are welcomed Catharsis jan, it's just that it is overwhelmingly sad that the turks' Lausanne Treaty that was not even legit, now thanks to our government in RA, namely Serje he'll be signing away any hope that we could have had of owning again at least parts of Western Armenia. The Wilson Arbitration that was completely legitimate, this guy Serje is forever signing it off and for what? To stay good with the US and Russia. This is a complete historical blunder on our part. I simply cannot believe it.

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              • #1127
                Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                Originally posted by Davo88 View Post
                Starting Saturday, Armenia can effectively remove the picture of Ararat from the զինանշան because judging by what happen on Saturday it is never going to be ours.
                Couple of Grey Wolfs were telling me the other day that they would give us Mt Ararat if we would give them Kim Kardashian. No Joke.
                B0zkurt Hunter

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                • #1128
                  Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                  Originally posted by Anoush View Post
                  You are welcomed Catharsis jan, it's just that it is overwhelmingly sad that the turks' Lausanne Treaty that was not even legit, now thanks to our government in RA, namely Serje he'll be signing away any hope that we could have had of owning again at least parts of Western Armenia. The Wilson Arbitration that was completely legitimate, this guy Serje is forever signing it off and for what? To stay good with the US and Russia. This is a complete historical blunder on our part. I simply cannot believe it.
                  Anoush jan, let me ask you a rhetorical question. You have two options and can only pick one. The first is Armenia doesn't sign any documents with turkey and pursues the legal route of getting Western Armenia back. Second is Armenia signs the protocols and pursues the same goal as above, economically. Note that in both cases Armenia is taking a chance, it may or may not work out in Armenia's favor in either case. Now, which option would you pick and why?
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                  • #1129
                    Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                    Couple of Grey Wolfs were telling me the other day that they would give us Mt Ararat if we would give them Kim Kardashian. No Joke.
                    That's a great deal! If only gul and erdogan felt the same...
                    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                    http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                    • #1130
                      Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                      I guess Gul and Erdogan are too busy with each other to think about Kim Kardashian. (not that it's a bad thing)

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