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  • #101
    Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

    Originally posted by ArmenianKid
    Gazan and KarotheGreat, your both bloodthirsty zelots. Neither of you knows what it means to take a life. The turks that commited the genocide are long dead or old and useless. Your justifiing the same with the Young Turks did, and nothing seperates you besides time.
    By comparing them to Turks, you just leveled one of the lowest insults to both Gazan and KarotheGreat...do you really mean to do that or are you just trying to sound lofty on you "I've been to war. I know what it's like to kill" soapbox?

    Guess what buddy, I was in Iraq too and I would be willing to bet that I spent more time outside the wire than you did. However, I don't think that makes me a hero and I definitely don't think that gives me a right to pontificate and patronize non-defeatist Armenians (unlike yourself) who actually have to deal with Turks as their neighbor.
    C'mon, you sound more like some from code pink than you do a tanker...what the hell are they turning out at Ft Knox these days (BTW, I did basic training there in 1997).


    Gazan's approach to dealing with Turks is the ONLY option. Turks, as a whole, are violent, stupid and greedy people...couple that with rampant nationalism and Muslim fanaticism and you may realize what Armenia is up against. In short, ArmenianKID, Turkey still wants Armenians dead...every last one of us...if you think any differently, then you are either delusional or you haven't read the same history books I read, or seen the current state of Turkey's belligerent posturing toward the Armenian nation.
    In short, the Turks of today are the same as their genocidal forefathers...except this time they have more lethal weapons.

    I don't know about you, but I want western Armenia back and if it takes the death of 2/3rd of their stinking race, then so-be-it...Armenian's didn't create this mess, the Turks did and they're going to have to deal with the consequences. I won't shed any tears.

    Good luck and stay safe...and think twice before you dare to compare an Armenian to a Turk...moral relativism is not only insulting, it makes for a bad argument too.

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    • #102
      Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

      I am sorry to see that you have just become like the Turks. There's a saying; "If you dance with the devil, you can not change the devil but the devil changes you..."
      If you need a war, make it a JUST one, not a GENOCIDE. Don't disgrace the name of Armenians. If you forgot let me remind who armenians are;

      We are few but we are called Armenians
      We do not put ourselves above anyone
      Simply we also admit that we, only we have Mount Ararat
      And that it is right here on the clear Sevan
      that the sky could make its exact duplicate
      Simply David has indeed fought right here
      Simply the Narek was written right here
      Simply we know how to build from the rock, a monastery
      How to make fish from stone, how to make man from clay
      To learn to become the student of the beautiful,
      the kind, the noble, and the good

      We are few, but we are called Armenians
      We do not put ourselves above anyone
      Simply our fortune has just been so different
      Simply we have just shed too much blood
      Simply in our lives of centuries long
      When we were many and when we were strong
      Even then we did not oppress any nation
      See, centuries have come and centuries have passed
      Yet over no one have we become tyrants
      If we have enslaved, only with our eyes
      And if we have ruled, only with our books
      If we have prevailed, only with our talents
      And if we have ever oppressed,
      it has only been with our wounds

      Simply with us death had fallen in love
      Yet we willingly did not give ourselves
      And when we were forced to leave our own land
      Where ever we reached, where ever we went
      Everywhere we left indelible trace
      We have joined efforts for everyone, always
      We plowed everywhere, we built bridges, we tied arches
      We plowed everywhere and we brought forth crops
      We gave everyone mind, proverbs, and songs
      Another words we defended them from spiritual coldness
      Every where we left our eyes reflection
      A peace of our soul and a sacrament from the heart itself

      We are few, truly, but we are Armenians
      And by being few we do not succumb
      Because it is better to be few in life, then to control life by being many
      Because it is better rather to be few, then to be masters by being many
      Because it is better to be few, then to be swindlers
      We are few, yes, but we are Armenians
      And we know how to sigh from yet unhealed wounds
      But with a new juice we rejoice and we cheer
      We know how to thrust into the foe's side


      I am sorry if I upset you but please, please, please. Calm down. Dont lose your faith in Peace and Justice. Don't pass on to the DARK side...

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      • #103
        Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

        Originally posted by Vagharshapat
        I am sorry to see that you have just become like the Turks. There's a saying; "If you dance with the devil, you can not change the devil but the devil changes you..."
        If you need a war, make it a JUST one, not a GENOCIDE. Don't disgrace the name of Armenians. If you forgot let me remind who armenians are;

        We are few but we are called Armenians
        We do not put ourselves above anyone
        Simply we also admit that we, only we have Mount Ararat
        And that it is right here on the clear Sevan
        that the sky could make its exact duplicate
        Simply David has indeed fought right here
        Simply the Narek was written right here
        Simply we know how to build from the rock, a monastery
        How to make fish from stone, how to make man from clay
        To learn to become the student of the beautiful,
        the kind, the noble, and the good

        We are few, but we are called Armenians
        We do not put ourselves above anyone
        Simply our fortune has just been so different
        Simply we have just shed too much blood
        Simply in our lives of centuries long
        When we were many and when we were strong
        Even then we did not oppress any nation
        See, centuries have come and centuries have passed
        Yet over no one have we become tyrants
        If we have enslaved, only with our eyes
        And if we have ruled, only with our books
        If we have prevailed, only with our talents
        And if we have ever oppressed,
        it has only been with our wounds

        Simply with us death had fallen in love
        Yet we willingly did not give ourselves
        And when we were forced to leave our own land
        Where ever we reached, where ever we went
        Everywhere we left indelible trace
        We have joined efforts for everyone, always
        We plowed everywhere, we built bridges, we tied arches
        We plowed everywhere and we brought forth crops
        We gave everyone mind, proverbs, and songs
        Another words we defended them from spiritual coldness
        Every where we left our eyes reflection
        A peace of our soul and a sacrament from the heart itself

        We are few, truly, but we are Armenians
        And by being few we do not succumb
        Because it is better to be few in life, then to control life by being many
        Because it is better rather to be few, then to be masters by being many
        Because it is better to be few, then to be swindlers
        We are few, yes, but we are Armenians
        And we know how to sigh from yet unhealed wounds
        But with a new juice we rejoice and we cheer
        We know how to thrust into the foe's side


        I am sorry if I upset you but please, please, please. Calm down. Dont lose your faith in Peace and Justice. Don't pass on to the DARK side...
        Why would your post upset me...not at all. Let me clarify.

        I don't advocate Genocide or unwarranted bloodshed. However, knowing what the Turks are capable of, I would advocate such a devastating and violent response, in the event that they attack Armenia.
        I would want to hurt and weaken them so bad, that they would never even think of attacking again.
        In short, I would advocate emasculating the Turkish menace by making them bleed until they capitulate into an unconditional surrender. If not, we will have another NKR situation where the enemy licks its wounds, re-arms itself and becomes more belligerent over time.

        Do you have any alternative is dealing with Turkey?

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        • #104
          Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

          Originally posted by crusader1492
          By comparing them to Turks, you just leveled one of the lowest insults to both Gazan and KarotheGreat...do you really mean to do that or are you just trying to sound lofty on you "I've been to war. I know what it's like to kill" soapbox?

          Guess what buddy, I was in Iraq too and I would be willing to bet that I spent more time outside the wire than you did. However, I don't think that makes me a hero and I definitely don't think that gives me a right to pontificate and patronize non-defeatist Armenians (unlike yourself) who actually have to deal with Turks as their neighbor.
          C'mon, you sound more like some from code pink than you do a tanker...what the hell are they turning out at Ft Knox these days (BTW, I did basic training there in 1997).


          Gazan's approach to dealing with Turks is the ONLY option. Turks, as a whole, are violent, stupid and greedy people...couple that with rampant nationalism and Muslim fanaticism and you may realize what Armenia is up against. In short, ArmenianKID, Turkey still wants Armenians dead...every last one of us...if you think any differently, then you are either delusional or you haven't read the same history books I read, or seen the current state of Turkey's belligerent posturing toward the Armenian nation.
          In short, the Turks of today are the same as their genocidal forefathers...except this time they have more lethal weapons.

          I don't know about you, but I want western Armenia back and if it takes the death of 2/3rd of their stinking race, then so-be-it...Armenian's didn't create this mess, the Turks did and they're going to have to deal with the consequences. I won't shed any tears.

          Good luck and stay safe...and think twice before you dare to compare an Armenian to a Turk...moral relativism is not only insulting, it makes for a bad argument too.
          1st ID 2/63 AR OIF 2-3. I barley knew what the wire was. I was in the largest urban battle the US Army has been in since vietnam.

          I wasn't standing on a soapbox, i was saying how can you tell a nation to kill a group of people if you havn't felt the weight of the deed yourself.
          i don't retract what i said to the two of them, and i will tell anyone who avocates the genocide of a group of people. The Armenian people know how it feels to have the crime of crimes against them, why would they do it to another group of people, even if they deserve it. Their idea is flawed at the fact they say we are justified to kill them all, which would create nothing but a circle of mass murder upon both peoples. I want western armenia back also,but nothing would seperate us from them if we did it the way Gazan said we should.

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          • #105
            Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

            Originally posted by ArmenianKid
            1st ID 2/63 AR OIF 2-3. I barley knew what the wire was. I was in the largest urban battle the US Army has been in since vietnam.

            I wasn't standing on a soapbox, i was saying how can you tell a nation to kill a group of people if you havn't felt the weight of the deed yourself.
            i don't retract what i said to the two of them, and i will tell anyone who avocates the genocide of a group of people. The Armenian people know how it feels to have the crime of crimes against them, why would they do it to another group of people, even if they deserve it. Their idea is flawed at the fact they say we are justified to kill them all, which would create nothing but a circle of mass murder upon both peoples. I want western armenia back also,but nothing would seperate us from them if we did it the way Gazan said we should.
            That's exactly the rotation I was on...I was attached the 3-8 Cav in Baghdad. You have two more years left, right? Hopefully, the Army will give you a break but (the way things are going), I have a feeling you'll be deployed at least one more time before you reenlistment is over.

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            • #106
              Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

              Originally posted by crusader1492
              That's exactly the rotation I was on...I was attached the 3-8 Cav in Baghdad. You have two more years left, right? Hopefully, the Army will give you a break but (the way things are going), I have a feeling you'll be deployed at least one more time before you reenlistment is over.
              Nah Knox doesn't deploy and I'm stuck here for the rest of my contract.
              I had a buddy in 3-8 Cav. yeah i have about 2 years left.

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              • #107
                Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

                We don't need to kill them, we will never sink to there level but they need to leave our lands or els we will become a minority on our one land so if they can live with our laws and over a few generations become armenian then they can stay but most of them don't want that so a mass deportation to lands that belongs to turkey or to some other land but they can not stay on our land

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                • #108
                  Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

                  Originally posted by crusader1492
                  Why would your post upset me...not at all. Let me clarify.

                  I don't advocate Genocide or unwarranted bloodshed. However, knowing what the Turks are capable of, I would advocate such a devastating and violent response, in the event that they attack Armenia.
                  I would want to hurt and weaken them so bad, that they would never even think of attacking again.
                  In short, I would advocate emasculating the Turkish menace by making them bleed until they capitulate into an unconditional surrender. If not, we will have another NKR situation where the enemy licks its wounds, re-arms itself and becomes more belligerent over time.

                  Do you have any alternative is dealing with Turkey?
                  I do not know what the alternative is... However, the policy of continued warfare and domination over neighbors as practiced by Israel seems to have negative long term ramifications.

                  I think what we Armenians need to consider, if it is possible for Turkey to progress as a nation and in doing so, are Armenia's interest served in the long run. I have read speculation on an alliance with Kurds. However, considering the tribal nature and lack of unity among Kurds, plus their poor overall relations with Iran, Syria, etc. Would peace with Turkey and some sort of understanding on historical problems be more realistic then an alliance or peace with a Kurdish nation (or groups) who have designs on Syrian, Iranian, and even Armenian lands? I am throwing out questions that may need exploring.
                  While I continue to have mistrust of Turkey and feel that any long term peace requieres return of lands, reparations, and security guarentees; I do not necessarily see Armenia's long term intersts being served by widespread regional instability and war. Historically, the depopulation of Armenia has been caused by regional instability and war. Our goal should be to avoid a repatition of historical problems that have lead to our demographic inbalance.

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                  • #109
                    Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

                    Originally posted by ArmenianKid
                    Gazan and KarotheGreat, your both bloodthirsty zelots. Neither of you knows what it means to take a life. The turks that commited the genocide are long dead or old and useless. Your justifiing the same with the Young Turks did, and nothing seperates you besides time.
                    You are such a fool! But for the turks you would be a legend, they will make you feel very honored, they might even privately show regret for, as they will put it, "what happened in the past". You are the turkish PR dream and should change your nick to turkishPRkid.

                    Crusader's reply to your crap was very detailed and appropriate. You read it and then said that basically you won't retract your statement. That shows that a) you are simply an arrogant american soldier, b) the only real Armenian thing in you is the IAN of your surname and c) you got no idea about our History and therefore you got absolutely no idea about our future.

                    And stop repeating that favorite slogan of yours: "you don't know what is it like to kill someone" because you (once again) got no idea who I am. But just the thought of me starting to list the things that I have done makes me feel uncomfortable because it is a very cheap thing to do.

                    You are looking for a job, right? How is a supervisor position at the Armenian Military Academy sound to you? I'm not joking, not at all. I don't know what they pay, but I personally will top-up your salary every month out of my own pocket to make your wages equal to the US ones. I guarantee you that. Why would I bother? Because thats what I do: I turn useless, unpatriotic xxxx-heads like yourself into useful and great patriots. And don't get turned off by my colorful language, and don't get offended either. Just PM me and I will organise that job for you.
                    Last edited by Gazan; 02-23-2007, 03:31 AM.

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                    • #110
                      Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

                      Originally posted by KarotheGreat
                      Gazan let's hope that the plan will sucseed cause evrey day that turkey exists it's a insult for humanity and if you need some extra help contact me always ready to fight turks
                      Yes qu tsave tanem, im akhper. Du tariqov poqres baits qo sirte shat metsa u maqur. Astvats ta vor shut ga en ore erb yes, du yev hazaravor mer nmanannere Qochari paren brnvats turqeri vra, yev amen mer votqi zarkov amenmekes mi turqi glux jartenq

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