When we get East Anatolia back...

[skhara]

Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

How do you mean, everyone, or just ottoman fighters?

I don't know to tell you the truth. I guess individuals would have different reactions. In some places where Armenians raised their level of vigillence, they were on the defensive, their targets could not have been anyone but the enemy fighters. I'm sure you can bet that no quarter was given to any uniformed turk.

"Restoring" armenian lands, how do you mean exactly?

Sevres treaty.

Ya, but does Turkey have to be such a b**ch about doing the right thing?

"Right thing" is relative. As a matter of fact, from their perspective they did the right thing in WWI. Think about it, if you are a turk wanting the land of the Armenian highland on which there exists a population with a national threat, wouldn't the best way to secure that land and eliminate the threat be eliminating the Armenians.

The reality, had the Armenian population was fully militant, we wouldn't be talking about the AG today. There never would have been one. Had there not been the AG, there would not be a "turkey" to speak of. Maybe an entity know as Anatolia or something that would hold a group of muslims with an identity crisis.

[Էլիա]

Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

"Right thing" is relative. As a matter of fact, from their perspective they did the right thing in WWI. Think about it, if you are a turk wanting the land of the Armenian highland on which there exists a population with a national threat, wouldn't the best way to secure that land and eliminate the threat be eliminating the Armenians.

Well, if an Ottoman Turk thought that killing a civilization of people for land and power is "right", then they are truly heartless and barbarians...

The reality, had the Armenian population was fully militant, we wouldn't be talking about the AG today. There never would have been one. Had there not been the AG, there would not be a "turkey" to speak of. Maybe an entity know as Anatolia or something that would hold a group of muslims with an identity crisis.

If only that were the truth. I don't care if the Turks had an identity crisis, it would serve them right!

[skhara]

Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

Well, if an Ottoman Turk thought that killing a civilization of people for land and power is "right", then they are truly heartless and barbarians...

Civilization? When turkic tribes showed up in Iran, the Caucasus, Russia, Anatolia, to them the sight of castles and villages was just stuff which got in the way for their herd.

[Էլիա]

Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

Civilization? When turkic tribes showed up in Iran, the Caucasus, Russia, Anatolia, to them the sight of castles and villages was just stuff which got in the way for their herd.

Which makes their viewpoint even more barbaric and unethical.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

Civilization? When turkic tribes showed up in Iran, the Caucasus, Russia, Anatolia, to them the sight of castles and villages was just stuff which got in the way for their herd

Thats not true--the Seljuks built plenty of mosques and castles on their domains and had to adapt to their new environment, or else there would be no way a minority of Seljuks could have ruled over such a vast empire.

The reason they did not have "civilization" as we tend to think of it (cities and all that) is because the central Asian steppe from where they originate is a dry and harsh environment, one in which agriculture cannot be relied on. You had to be a nomad to survive on those lands, and since nomads are always on the move, there is no point in building cities.

[Էլիա]

Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

Thats not true--the Seljuks built plenty of mosques and castles on their domains and had to adapt to their new environment, or else there would be no way a minority of Seljuks could have ruled over such a vast empire.

The reason they did not have "civilization" as we tend to think of it (cities and all that) is because the central Asian steppe from where they originate is a dry and harsh environment, one in which agriculture cannot be relied on. You had to be a nomad to survive on those lands, and since nomads are always on the move, there is no point in building cities.

Well, he's not talking about when they were in Central Asia. He's talking about when they came into the Middle East and destroyed everything in their way (I think he is).