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Armenian Georgian Relations

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  • Mos
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    Right, nabucco pipeline, what waste, most of the money goes to specifically blockading Armenia than anything else. Plus, if Azeris attack with help of Russia, we are blowing those pipelines up and there goes their precious project.

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  • KanadaHye
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    The Nabucco pipelines are supposed to solve Europe's Russian supply problem but looks like there are some kinks in the plan that still need to be worked out. Armenians seem to be in the way yet again of a pan turkic sea from east to west

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  • Mos
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    Well there has to be unanimous support, when you have major powers such as France and Germany opposing you can't have any progress in that progress. Remember most of Europe relies on Russian gas, they very well know the consequences of an angry Russia, and they rather keep Georgia out of the alliance than deal with Russia. US, especially with Obama, distanced itself from Saakashvili after his irresponsible actions, of course giving symbolic support, but relations have cooled nonetheless. And finally NATO doesn't want to be drawn into a conflict with Russia over some territories. Georgia has responded by warming relations with Iran, and trying to balance their foreign policy more.

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  • Joseph
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    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    NATO doesn't want Georgia in its alliance, especially France & Germany. They rather preserve good ties with Russia rather than have small, troublesome Georgia in their ranks - and I don't blame them. After the war, Georgia's chances for NATO membership took a nosedive.
    The US and UK is pushing Georgia into the alliance. Germany, Italy and France is against it. The US push has decreased slightly due to the August 2008 war but as long as the neocons still have a voice and Russophobia continues, the calls will not disappear. Anti-Russian (or anti-Putin, as the Georgians do not hate the Russians) sentiment in Georgia is still quite high.

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  • KanadaHye
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    US senators were lobbying for a NATO missile defense radar to be installed in Georgia supposedly as a deterrence from Iran. Russia isn't that dumb, but Georgian land is definitely strategic for both the US and Israel whether it's to surround Russia or act as a satellite state for Israel.

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  • Mos
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    NATO doesn't want Georgia in its alliance, especially France & Germany. They rather preserve good ties with Russia rather than have small, troublesome Georgia in their ranks - and I don't blame them. After the war, Georgia's chances for NATO membership took a nosedive.

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  • KanadaHye
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    That's just how dumb it all seems. That's like Canada souring relations with the U.S. and leaning towards Russia... oddly enough that might become reality when the two start digging the arctic for resources.


    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has approved a loan for Georgia, amounting to $750m (£418m).

    It is aimed at rebuilding the country's currency reserves and boosting confidence in its economy following last month's conflict with Russia.

    Analysts say the money could offset any difficulty Georgia might have in selling products abroad or in attracting foreign investment.

    The approval came as Nato chief Jaap de Hoop Scheffer was visiting Tbilisi.

    He called for Georgia's "accelerated" integration with Nato and condemned Russia's conduct in the conflict.

    But Mr de Hoop Scheffer - speaking at the first meeting of the Nato-Georgia Commission - did not say when Georgia might join the alliance.

    EU aid

    A third of the IMF loan will be released immediately, with the rest to come in stages over the next 18 months

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7617971.stm
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    That was towards the end of 2008, I'd say that money should be drying up any time soon if it hasn't already.

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  • Mos
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    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    Ukraine is easy to manipulate, all the politicians do is bring up the famine that was committed by the USSR and all of a sudden, the people hate Russia again. The only reason Georgia is pro west/Israel is because the International Monetary Fund keeps dishing out money to the government.
    IMF gives out a good amount of money to Armenia as well. Georgia since its independence has always leaned towards West - Rose Revolution just made that more clear. Their alliance with the West has more in my opinion rested on the notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" - the enemy being Russia, of course.

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  • KanadaHye
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    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    The Former Defence Minister of Georgia to my knowledge was an Israeli citizen. But I don't believe the pro-West tilt will stay for long, look at what happened in Ukraine with the reversal of the colour revolution, same will happen in Georgia during next elections.
    Ukraine is easy to manipulate, all the politicians do is bring up the famine that was committed by the USSR and all of a sudden, the people hate Russia again. The only reason Georgia is pro west/Israel is because the International Monetary Fund keeps dishing out money to the government.

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  • Mos
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    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    Russia should have finished off the Georgian administration when they had the chance. They got smacked around and Russia set them straight but it's only a matter of time until they lean towards the West again. America seems to be getting bold again with their tough talk with the situation in Libya. Granted, there are many countries with interest in Libya to back up the rhetoric but regardless, there are elements in Georgia that are pro U.S./Israel that need to be rooted out.
    The Former Defence Minister of Georgia to my knowledge was an Israeli citizen. But I don't believe the pro-West tilt will stay for long, look at what happened in Ukraine with the reversal of the colour revolution, same will happen in Georgia during next elections.

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