Armenian Georgian Relations

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

A troll is a troll, even if it makes only 8 posts in 4 years.

[Setta]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

I forgot. The Turks, Azeris and Iranians held a conference to discuss various issues, including the Azeris getting all their land back.

[Setta]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

This is from Turkish Weekly.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/print.asp?type=1&id=114607

In the past couple of weeks, Russia and Turkey have established a visa-free trade zone; the Georgians voted unanimously that the Russians wouldn't be allowed to use their land or airspace for military transport to Armenia; PACE declared that the airport in Artsakh shouldn't be completed; the statue in Kars is dismantled; a group of US Congressmen is visiting Azerbaijan; and a group of US Congressmen introduce a resolution on April 23 recognizing the importance of Turkey as an ally. The Russians were completely ok with the the Georgian decision to prohibit any military aid to Armenia. Am I being paranoid or is a stranglehold being formed?

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Pleasantly surprised someone actually is in debt to us for once and not the opposite.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

That was during the time Georgia was in Civil War and was basically in a state of chaos, worse than Armenia's situation.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Georgia to pay off debts to Armenia in 2025



April 22, 2011 | 18:50

Georgia accumulated a $16,636,000 debt to Armenia as a result of bilateral trade in 1992-1993, says an official letter by the Georgian Ministry of Finance.

In the agreements of June 15, 1993, and June 2, 1994, the debts are indicated as state credits. The credit agreements were incorporated in a rescheduling agreement of June 5, 1996. Armenian-Georgian intergovernmental agreements of February 12, 2002 and of September 29, 2005 regulate Georgia’s debt to Armenia now, says the letter.

The agreement of February 12, 2002 is in effect until December 31, and the one of September 29, 2005, is in effect until September 1, 2025.

http://news.am/eng/news/56581.html

[Joseph]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

SAAKASHVILI: 'WE NEED ANTI-AIR, ANTI-TANK ARMS FROM U.S.'

http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=23294

Civil Georgia, Tbilisi / 31 Mar.'11 / 10:53

Some sales of small arms from the United States to Georgia are "in the
pipeline", but Georgia needs heavier weapons, President Saakashvili
told "The Cable" - a blog of The Foreign Policy magazine, during his
recent visit to the U.S.

"We don't' really need small arms, we have plenty of them and actually
there are many alternative sources to shop for them," he was quoted
in an article posted on The Cable on March 30. "What Georgia really
needs is something that it cannot get from anywhere else and that's
anti-air and anti-tank [weapons] and that's completely obvious
... that's where should be the next stage of the cooperation."

In September, 2010 U.S. Defense Secretary, Robert Gates, said
Washington had been "careful" in providing military assistance to
Georgia. He, however, also said "every sovereign country has the
right to provide for its own defense."

In June, 2010 Philip Gordon, the assistant secretary of state for
European and Eurasian affairs, rejected that the U.S. had arms
embargo on Georgia. He, however, said that Washington's focus after
the August war was on "reducing tensions" and trying to get Russian
to follow its commitments under the ceasefire agreement and to respect
Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

"We don't think that arms sales and military equipment is the path
to the situation in Georgia that we're trying to get to," Gordon said.

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I just wanted to point this article out to illustrate why sticking to Russia is far better for Hayastan then going over to the USA. The USA sold out Georgia the first chance it got and it would sell us out even faster. Russian interests in Armenia's region are far greater then the USA interests and Russia cannot afford to seel us out.

Generally speaking, the US is still heavily pro-Georgian but is not too keen on re-arming the Georgians beyond some token material and training(small arms---yeah, so much for the training ). The US does not want to further encourage Saakashvili; he is a loose cannon and has already embarrassed US, EU, NATO. The Russians are keeping a very close eye on the situation, are totally dialed in, and will have record of US armaments entering Georgia. The US makes stupid moves but will not burn their hands twice with Saakashvili, no matter how much arse he kisses.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

SAAKASHVILI: 'WE NEED ANTI-AIR, ANTI-TANK ARMS FROM U.S.'

http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=23294

Civil Georgia, Tbilisi / 31 Mar.'11 / 10:53

Some sales of small arms from the United States to Georgia are "in the
pipeline", but Georgia needs heavier weapons, President Saakashvili
told "The Cable" - a blog of The Foreign Policy magazine, during his
recent visit to the U.S.

"We don't' really need small arms, we have plenty of them and actually
there are many alternative sources to shop for them," he was quoted
in an article posted on The Cable on March 30. "What Georgia really
needs is something that it cannot get from anywhere else and that's
anti-air and anti-tank [weapons] and that's completely obvious
... that's where should be the next stage of the cooperation."

In September, 2010 U.S. Defense Secretary, Robert Gates, said
Washington had been "careful" in providing military assistance to
Georgia. He, however, also said "every sovereign country has the
right to provide for its own defense."

In June, 2010 Philip Gordon, the assistant secretary of state for
European and Eurasian affairs, rejected that the U.S. had arms
embargo on Georgia. He, however, said that Washington's focus after
the August war was on "reducing tensions" and trying to get Russian
to follow its commitments under the ceasefire agreement and to respect
Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

"We don't think that arms sales and military equipment is the path
to the situation in Georgia that we're trying to get to," Gordon said.

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I just wanted to point this article out to illustrate why sticking to Russia is far better for Hayastan then going over to the USA. The USA sold out Georgia the first chance it got and it would sell us out even faster. Russian interests in Armenia's region are far greater then the USA interests and Russia cannot afford to seel us out.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

You're right, it is an old article. What a stupid mistake, the source is from trdefence and below the article it states Posted by Editor on Mar 2 2011 and i fell for it.
Sorry people.

It's fine dude. Actually, it's pretty interesting to see an old analysis like that and compare it to today.

[Karabed]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Karabed's post is an old article, dating a few years back since it says Russians have a base in Javakhk and SS is named as a Defense Minister.

Yeah, have to be careful where you find news.... there are sites that circulate old news articles but have today's date embedded in the page frame. I fell for this a few times...

You're right, it is an old article. What a stupid mistake, the source is from trdefence and below the article it states Posted by Editor on Mar 2 2011 and i fell for it.
Sorry people.