Armenian Georgian Relations

[Setta]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Please read this blog, from start to finish. Also, it is updated a few times a month.

I just started but one thing that leaped off the page was the recommendation to do business with China. Cultivating trade relations with China should be a priority for Armenia. We now have a small Armenian community in China. http://asbarez.com/83435/first-armen...tism-in-china/

I'll read the entire blog, but I just don't know about Russia and Armenia. What concerns me most is Putin's closeness to the British branch of the Rothschild family. It seemed that immediately after Putin returned from his sojourn at the Rothschild estate in England, the Russian government began to shift toward the Azeri side. Russia may be willing to toss Armenia overboard in order to be a player in the "Great Game."

[Haykakan]

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I don't think Nare understands the fact that Armenia is much too weak to survive on its own and that Russia is the only power in the world today which has a interest in Armenia surviving and the strength to back it up. The USA and the zionists would like nothing better then for someone like LTP to take power again and destroy Armenia once and for all, they have proved this many times when LTP was president and when they tried their collor revolution afterward. The russian interest in Armenia is of course derived from self interest and we are lucky that this is so for no one else is willing to guerantee our security like Russia has for many decades. A important fact Nare and others here should not forget is that armenians in Armenia have never enjoyed the a higher quality of life then they did during soviet times (under russian rule). Today the average armenian citizen today is far worst off then the average citizen was during soviet days. The armenian population in our present day homeland is dwindeling because families cannot survive there but during soviet times survival was not an issue people had the necessities of life and were more concerned with intellectual matters. I dont think most people who are born in the west understand what Russia has done for Armenia and why we cannot rely on another power. Yes it is in Russias interest for Armenia to be there and to remain dependent and that is way better then our other options which invariably lead to total anniahlation of Armenia.

[Mos]

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As usual, you stick with your agenda, without reading the question properly. I didn't talk about skinheads, but Russia.

I wasn't addressing your post, I was talking about Nare's statement about the skinheads.

[gegev]

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Russian skinheads don't represent Russia. Plus I could care less what Russia people think, what's important is Russian government's stance towards us, which is positive. We are to them, what Israel is to USA.

As usual, you stick with your agenda, without reading the question properly. I didn't talk about skinheads, but Russia.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Russian skinheads don't represent Russia. Plus I could care less what Russia people think, what's important is Russian government's stance towards us, which is positive. We are to them, what Israel is to USA.

[gegev]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

^^^ Interesting gegev, didn't know that, I assumed it was Russia.

In regards to your question:
Relations should remain cooperative; however the Javakh issue must be solved if Georgia wants Armenia to mediate their relations with Russia. With that in mind and their strong relations with Azeris and Turks, Armenia should lobby vigorously in upper house of Russia to annex part of Georgia to create a corridor that would give a common border with Russia and an access to Black Sea (Abkhazia-Poti-Ajaria-Javakheti corridor).
The threat of carving such a corridor can also be used against Suckissvelly to curve the treatment of the Armenians in Javakh and the use of their airspace in case a war starts with Azerbaijan.

If Azeries will start the war against Armenia, it would be perfect time for Russia to carry out the plan, you pointed out. Using the fact that Georgia is trying to help Azeries and Ajaria, Javakh minorities discrimination. At that point, other strong arguments would be available, too.

Isn't this idea considered by Russians in past? During Russian-Georgian war?

[Armanen]

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Don't want to start a firestorm....I understand the disappointment with US policy regarding Artsakh and the Genocide recogntion, but the US govt and Diaspora provide generous funding to Armenia unlike Russia which appears to help itself to our electricity and telecommunications industries, etc., without any apparent benefit to the Armenians. Armenians are not used for target practice in the US. Why would it be against Armenia's interests to kick Russia out and invite a US military base into Armenia instead? Armenia is already allowing the Caucasus branch of Langley to operate out of that massive US embassy in Yerevan. There may be some incipient grumbling from Tehran but wouldn't the Armenians be better off in the long run once the Iranians calmed down? Also, isn't it possible that with a US base in Armenia, the US and the Iranian govts could begin a discreet process of reconciliation? At the least, wouldn't the Armenians have a better chance of keeping the territory the Azeris lost in the war and getting recognition for it as an independent state? Both Czarist and Communist Russia inflicted irrevocable damage on the Armenian nation. Why is Armenia wasting her time with Russia when we could have the US as our superpower ally?

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/

Please read this blog, from start to finish. Also, it is updated a few times a month.

You will get a lot of your answers. And please, watch what is happening in Egypt, an American client state, see how easily the US kicked mubarek to the curb? They do it to all their autocratic rulers, people who they put into power in the first place. Having US as patron of Armenia instead of Russia wouldn't make Armenia any more democratic. If you want reforms, whether that is toward democarcy or some other form of government, and the rule of law, the people in the nation need to do it themselves, it is a holistic process. It can't be dictated from the top down, encouraged yes, but not dictated. Case in point, Iraq, it will fall apart once the US is fully out.

[Armanen]

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Tigranakert...

Get manners, learn how to make discussions, I have dealt a lot with Armenian business and I am not buying your BS...

And bolsheviks are not of some unknown nation, they are the same Russians who imposed their rules on us.

Last 10 years 5.500 Armenians have been killed in Russia by ethnic Russians and backed up by Russian state...

And I thought for Armenians it is Long Live Armenia...

Do you wake up in the morning and decide to make up facts? First, you tried and failed, to convince people here that georgia is better off than Armenia, now you are claiming that Russia is not an ally of Armenia?

And it is well known who funded the bolsheviks and who made up the large chunk of their leadership. It wasn't Orthodox Slavic Russians, I can tell you that.

[Nare]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Հիմա նանե ջան մենք շատ խեղճ վիճակում ենք այսօրվա դրությամբ ու պետք է մեր հարաբերություները ռուսների հետ պահպանենք: Ես էլ եմ վախենում որ մի օր իրանք մեզ կծախեն ու դրանով մենք շատ վատ վիճակում կգտնվենք, բայց հիմա ուրիշ ճար չկա: Արևմուտքը ոնց նայում ես թուրքերի ու ադրբեջանցիների կողմից է ու մենք էտ փաստը պետք է միշտ հիշենք: Ինչ ուզում ես ասա, առանձ ռուսների մենք շատ տխուր վիճակում կլնեինք այսօր:

de ha, henc et xghtchuk vitvhakan a mer lezun kartch pahum, isk russnern el giten te iroq mezanic lavn em kam hzor...Iranc patmutyunum mi ban chka, vor iranq irancov en arel, amen tegh hayi anun a, iranqw menak tvov em vercnum...

De henc dra hamar em es hamuzvatz menq petk e mer erkirn sargenq, axr mez havasar vochmek edqan xelq u dzerqi shnorq chuni, ete mer regimic/oligarxneric azatvenq diasporais shater' kashxaten hanun Hayreniqi, shater' pordzum en, baic dranc hanum, shprtum en ;-(



On December 28 press conference on the theme “Contribution of Armenians to the science of the 20 th century; part 1.” was held in Yerevan, Armenia. Members of the initiative group Sardarapat Emil Abrahamian and Tigran Khzmalyan also took part in the conference. Tigran Khzmalyan made a following speech:
Recently in Los Angeles a remarkable book was published by essayist and critic Stephen Partamyan, entitled “Contribution of the Armenian-Americans to the United States of America.” It represents the most significant inventions and discoveries, patented in the United States in the twentieth century by Americans of Armenian descent. Without falling into the provincial conceit, we want in these days of Christmas to remind our compatriots that what the Armenian people was capable in conditions of freedom, justice and the rule of law.

The book contains photocopies of official licenses issued by the U.S. Patent Office on these inventions, with indication of the number and date of the patent. Thus, one of the first recorded examples of engineering victory of the Armenians in the American Diaspora, was evidence of the number 994.259 from 1911, issued by Gabriel Kazandzhyan for inventing the “apparatus for electric hair dryers, in common parlance – the hair dryer. The real pioneer of technological revolution is Asatur Sarafian who miracally survived the genocide , as a child reached the U.S. and there became famous by the name of Oscar Banker, inventor of the automatic transmission (patented in 1931, # 1,795,464) i.e automatic transmission, first installed in 1940 on American cars, “Oldsmobile.” The same Banker-Sarafian introduced widespread use of such technical innovations as the petrol pump (1961 թ., # 2,977,862), as well as dipstick engine oil (1957, # 2,977,813), now known to any car owner. However, most of all, the U.S. government was grateful to Banker-Sarafyan for the invention and installation of transmissions for military helicopters, Sikorsky (patent 1949 թ., # 2,492,831), as well as the creation of multi-color printing machine (patented in 1932, # 1,879,597). Another American inventor of Armenian descent, Arthur Bulbulyan, patented oxygen mask for pilots the Air Force United States (1944, # 2,348,108). Huge popularity gained the famous engineer and philanthropist Alex Manoogian for inventing a new type of mixer for household plumbing, which is used widespread throughout the world (1969, U.S. Patent # 3,422,849). At the same time almost is forgotten the creator of another product which has received massive use – Stepan Stepanyan, constructed in 1935 mobile concrete mixer on a truck chassis, which gave a huge acceleration of the entire international construction business (U.S. Patent # 1,935,922). It would be unfair not to mention one small but truly mass product – a flexible tube for beverages, Artashes Aykazyan patented in 1980, patent # 4,216,801.
It is difficult to imagine modern civilization without ATMs – devices for receiving and issuing money, which was invented and designed in 1956 by Luther Simidzhyan (US patent # 2,960,377, 1960). It should be noted that after the gun for paper money, Simidzhyan in 1965 separately patented an improved model, capable of receiving and issuing and coins.
In 1977, engineer Michael Ter-Pogosyan, received a patent for the invention apparatus for layering images of the human body by computed tomography, which has revolutionized modern medicine (US patent # 4, 150.292, 1979). Millions of lives are saved by scanning nuclear magnetic resonance method, invented by Raymond Damadyanom (US patent # 4,411,270, 1983).
We have presented a few examples from a long line of inventions made by Armenian scientists and engineers working in the U.S., but they can and must be added by the remarkable discoveries of our compatriots living in the USSR – from Artem Mikoyan to Mikhail Pogosyan, from brothers Orbeli and Alikhanyan to recently declassified Soviet founder “Lunokhod “Karamdzhyan. What does all this have to day life of the Armenians, with the exception of middle-class after-dinner toasts, and political demagoguery?
To our knowledge, several years ago world-renowned scientist Raymond Damadyan visited Armenia, author of the method of magnetic resonance diagnosis, offered to host in our country the production of these unique vehicles. Senior officials made him understand that diaspora’s noble endeavor in the historical homeland can be realized only in exchange for a substantial bribe. Needless to say, that the inventor left, disappointed and humiliated.
Only one conclusion – our Motherland, of course, can and must make a qualitative leap in its scientific, educational, economic and social development, based on the intellectual and material potential of all Armenians in the country and in the Diaspora. However, all this will become possible only after the liberation of Armenia from the occupying, o perating and robbing her despotism.


Turq,azeri,tutuc vraci chen mer araghi tshnamin, henc sranq en...

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

I agree we should stay with them. But we should realise they are with us only because for now we serve their interests in our region. But we should develop our country. We, ourselves. Because Armenian saying goes "russi paranin cakh chi kareli dnel", we have been there, we know it, they will use and sell us like they done many times. They play games behind our backs, we get massacred, then they "save" us and demand bowing down to them until the death.

Russneri 90% bloggerner' mez azerineri het miasin em dnum u hamarum en erkrordakan, voch civil azg. Shat depqerum el angam pro-Azeri en, iharke meghner' kan kargin, parz mardik, baic shat aveli qich en qanc te irancic gog, iranc kartzatz russner.

Հիմա նանե ջան մենք շատ խեղճ վիճակում ենք այսօրվա դրությամբ ու պետք է մեր հարաբերություները ռուսների հետ պահպանենք: Ես էլ եմ վախենում որ մի օր իրանք մեզ կծախեն ու դրանով մենք շատ վատ վիճակում կգտնվենք, բայց հիմա ուրիշ ճար չկա: Արևմուտքը ոնց նայում ես թուրքերի ու ադրբեջանցիների կողմից է ու մենք էտ փաստը պետք է միշտ հիշենք: Ինչ ուզում ես ասա, առանձ ռուսների մենք շատ տխուր վիճակում կլնեինք այսօր: