Armenian Georgian Relations

[Vrej1915]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Վրացիները Youtube-ում կեղծ հայկական էջեր են ստեղծում
17:56 . 06/08
Youtube կայքում բացվել է մի էջ, որտեղ բացահայտվում եւ ներկայացվում են youtube-ի կեղծ հայկական ալիքները (channel):
eMedia.am-ը հայտնում է, որ բացված էջում յուրաքանչյուրը կարող է տեղադրել իրեն կասկածելի թվացող տեսանյութերի էջի մասին նշում, ինչպես նաեւ՝ այդ էջի հասցեն։ Այսպիսով, նախաձեռնությունը հնարավորություն կստանա բացահայտել ու ներկայացնել հակահայկական քարոզչությամբ զբաղվող անհատներին եւ խմբերին:
Կայքի փոխանցմամբ, արդեն կան "ջրի երես դուրս բերված" կեղծ ազգայնականների youtube-ի մի քանի ալիքներ։ Ուշագրավն այն է, որ պարզվել է՝ բացահայտված էջերի մեծ մասը ստեղծված են վրացիների կողմից:

Կեղծ հայկական ալիքների թվում են armstefan, hamshen1, HAYASTAN2, allegold, khacekirner, Antirussia, MrArmenianProud, Erman881 եւ այլն: Կեղծ ալիքերի ժողովածուն youtube-ում կրում է "WARNINGFalsChannels" անունը եւ հասանելի է հետեւյալ հղումով http://www.youtube.com/user/WARNINGFalsChannels: Այստեղ զգուշացվում է, որ տվյալ "հայկական" ալիքները հակահայկական քարոզչություն են իրականացնում եւ վարկաբեկում են հայերին՝ կեղծելով պատմությունն ու ագրեսիվ տրամադրություն ստեղծելով։

http://www.yerkirmedia.am/?act=news&lan=hy&id=2016

[HermanGerman]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

The photographs on the cited website document the destruction of important historical and cultural monuments in Georgia - and all you do is reply with some nonsense about "toponyms". So, if everything pictured is, in your opinion, "pure Georgian", then their destruction is acceptable to you?

More examples of the Georgian state and Georgian Church-sponsored destructions of Armenian cultural monuments in Georgia:

http://www.ancestralstones.com/05Gallery.htm

The erasing of Armenian inscriptions is quite blatant:
Monastery at Gremi, Kakheti, and church at Uspenia, Ananuri: http://www.ancestralstones.com/Gallery03.htm#ananuri
And here also, at the St. Gevorg Monastery in Telet: http://www.raa.am/Magazine/Exhibitio...et_E_Exhib.htm

Is this the intellectual level of Georgians? Has your nation no shame?

@bell-the-cat
I must say that I am suprised ! From now on we should call you Bell-The-Van-Cat

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

the most churches are pure georgian. what about georgian churches in lore?
if javakheti is armenian land then tell me armenian toponyms

The photographs on the cited website document the destruction of important historical and cultural monuments in Georgia - and all you do is reply with some nonsense about "toponyms". So, if everything pictured is, in your opinion, "pure Georgian", then their destruction is acceptable to you?

More examples of the Georgian state and Georgian Church-sponsored destructions of Armenian cultural monuments in Georgia:

http://www.ancestralstones.com/05Gallery.htm

The erasing of Armenian inscriptions is quite blatant:
Monastery at Gremi, Kakheti, and church at Uspenia, Ananuri: http://www.ancestralstones.com/Gallery03.htm#ananuri
And here also, at the St. Gevorg Monastery in Telet: http://www.raa.am/Magazine/Exhibitio...et_E_Exhib.htm

Is this the intellectual level of Georgians? Has your nation no shame?

[diaukhi]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Georgia's cultural genocide

http://www.djavakhk.com/galerie/disp...hp?id_album=44

the most churches are pure georgian. what about georgian churches in lore?
if javakheti is armenian land then tell me armenian toponyms

[lampron]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

tell me names of these churches which were armenian

Georgia's cultural genocide

http://www.djavakhk.com/galerie/disp_serie.php?id_album=44

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

A new example of Georgian propaganda. On the supposed development and origins of the St. Hripsime-type church plan. Published in New York this year.



I wouldn't waste money buying it, but I'd like to see an online version of it.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

nekresi I century

davatis stela IV century

as you see georgian alphabet is older than yours
you buil cities? tbilisi? old tbilisi buillt by arabs
which churhces are georgianized? what about georian churches in anisi and lore( akhtala, qoberi, ardvi, sanini and others?
armenians are very poor people. you have complex because you know that georgia is more ancient than you desert country. vardan mamikonian was chan ( laz) first armenian kingdomwas in 190 BC and colchis was 13 century bc and iberia was 5 century bc somxebo dabrundid balkanebze

Don't you realise that all these sort of things make Georgia appear to be a very silly, imature country?

This forum's resident extremists, those like Mos, are widespread in Armenia - and they have their exact equivalents in Georgia. But to counter their positions there exists a whole established field of Armenian Studies. However, no such thing exists in Georgia or for Georgia, and no legitimate academics will now touch your country because it is so tainted with propaganda production.

I'll give you an example. Georgia's inferiority complex went into overdrive at the end of the 1990s when they discovered that, in connection with Armenia's traditional 1700th anniversary of its conversion to Christianity, several important exhibitions of Armenian Art were to be staged in various world capitals, including Paris and London. So they decided to produce their own "National Treasures of Georgia" exhibition. However, the exhibition ended up being so obvously propagandistic, with everything found inside the territorial limits of modern Georgia being labeled as "Georgian", with no other cultures mentioned, and with no context to the objects given (since that would mean mentioning Armenia and other neighbouring cultures) that no museum or gallery took up the offer to host the exhibition. A glossy hardback book was also produced, containing various articles by Georgian and non-Georgian authors. Those written by the Georgians are pure propaganda, and the non-Georgian authors disowned the book after their articles were edited and rewritten without permission to remove references to Armenia and make everything more "Georgia-centric". (See here http://www.hist.unibe.ch/unibe/philh...n-rapp_ger.pdf - quote: 1999 “Medieval Christian Georgia (c. 330-c. 1450),” in National Treasures of Georgia, Ori Z. Soltes ed. London: Philip Wilson Publishers, 1999. Pp. 84-92. NB: highly re-edited without my permission.)

Your country has to stop behaving like a kid with a more successful big brother, it has to grow up, go its own way, and stop being obsessed about living in Armenia's cultural and historical shadow.

[diaukhi]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

It's well documented that Mesrop Mashtots created the alphabets for Armenians, Georgians, and the Caucasian Albanians. Armenians were always a important part of Tiflis and many of the elites were Armenians, the city was developed with a lot of Armenian support. The Georgianisation of Armenian Churches is also fact.

Desert country? This is just evidence of how clueless you are. There are no deserts in Armenia Maybe you should look at a map...


Yes, desert country:

mashtoc created only armenian alphabet in V century and georgian alphabet created in III bc century
tell me names of these churches which were armenian

[Zartonq]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

May I just add that Mashtots' undertaking was almost certainly the restorative rearrangement of an existing tradition of various native writing systems into a contemporary alphabetical format.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

nekresi I century

davatis stela IV century

as you see georgian alphabet is older than yours
you buil cities? tbilisi? old tbilisi buillt by arabs
which churhces are georgianized? what about georian churches in anisi and lore( akhtala, qoberi, ardvi, sanini and others?
armenians are very poor people. you have complex because you know that georgia is more ancient than you desert country. vardan mamikonian was chan ( laz) first armenian kingdomwas in 190 BC and colchis was 13 century bc and iberia was 5 century bc somxebo dabrundid balkanebze

It's well documented that Mesrop Mashtots created the alphabets for Armenians, Georgians, and the Caucasian Albanians. Armenians were always a important part of Tiflis and many of the elites were Armenians, the city was developed with a lot of Armenian support. The Georgianisation of Armenian Churches is also fact.

Desert country? This is just evidence of how clueless you are. There are no deserts in Armenia Maybe you should look at a map...


Yes, desert country: