Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

[crusader1492]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

Do you want a detailed list of names?

Are you oblivious enough to realize that many are those who disagree with "your crew's" dishonest opinion manipulations, crap or backward/medieval/nazi/neo-con/... mindset and views?

Are you suggesting that everybody agrees with you? How modest of you? Ironically, are you speaking for yourself or representing a group? Maybe, the entire forum?
As laughable as when you, hypocritically, suggested that I resort to private messaging when you did not. Are you "veri ardi tsoren?"

Whether it pleases you or not, I will speak for all those who are fed up with "your crew's" crap and manipulations.

Are you sure you're not Bell-the-Cat?

[Siamanto]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

Are you sure you're not Bell-the-Cat?

Let me make it simple for you:
If you are perceptive enough, then I am bell-the-cat.

Many of us know exactly what I said.

[Armenian]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

Ov e sa "us"? Moog ga grpanis mech? Yete voch...speak for yourself.

By saying "us" Siamanto is referring to herself and her ego. I have gotten to a point that I don't even read the psychobabbler's rantings anymore, it's like an instinctual repulsion as soon as I see her post. And I bet that if I claimed the color of yogurt was 'white' she would find a way to refute it. She and her anti-Dashnak street dog have even resorted to promoting the filthy treasonous vermin called Levon Ter Petrosian - just because I'm against him, just because he banned the ARF in Armenia.

[Siamanto]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

She and her anti-Dashnak street dog have even resorted to promoting the filthy treasonous vermin called Levon Ter Petrosian - just because I'm against him, just because he banned the ARF in Armenia.

It is amazing how easily the Armenian Reactionary Forces crew members resort to obvious lies in their desperate attempts to discredit and defame those who oppose their dishonest and hideous practices of manipulating public opinion or the ARF's criminal practices of assassinating other Armenians and/or lobbying against Armenia's interest.

Obviously, lying is the only resort of the mediocre and dishonest.

[Lucin]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

Sarkozy revised his stand on Turkey’s EU bid?

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Turkey-skeptic French President Nicholas Sarkozy and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed Monday to continue talks on Turkey’s accession to the European Union during a meeting in New York where the two leaders were present for the United Nations General Assembly meeting.

The two leaders discussed Turkey’s negotiations with the European Union and the meeting was productive and comprehensive. No comments were made to the press after the meeting.

Erdogan is expected to visit France in the coming months in order to soften Paris’s stance towards Turkey’s EU bid. Known with his objection to Turkey’s full membership, Sarkozy earlier proposed a sort of privileged membership for Turkey.

Prime Minister Erdogan held a separate meeting with Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates who is currently holding the term presidency of the EU. The two leaders discussed ways to speed up Turkey’s negotiations with the EU, the Anatolia news agency reported.

URL: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23483

[Siamanto]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

Sarkozy revised his stand on Turkey’s EU bid?

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Turkey-skeptic French President Nicholas Sarkozy and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed Monday to continue talks on Turkey’s accession to the European Union during a meeting in New York where the two leaders were present for the United Nations General Assembly meeting.

The two leaders discussed Turkey’s negotiations with the European Union and the meeting was productive and comprehensive. No comments were made to the press after the meeting.

URL: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23483

They agreed to meet again and continue negotiations, what's new? How meaningful.

It is noteworthy that the French media and political circles seem to consider the meeting as a non-event, including Sarkozy's rivals and enemies who, usually, take every opportunity to criticize him - even regarding minor issue. It is also noteworthy that the event was mainly covered by the jurkish media.



The following is a bit more descriptive - i.e. informative - coverage.

Top level bilateral talks on Turkey's EU bid: French FM

13 hours ago

NEW YORK (AFP) — French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said Tuesday that he would meet with his Turkish counterpart Ali Babacan to discuss Ankara's contentious bid to join the European Union.

Kouchner said he and French President Nicolas Sarkozy "spent one-hour-and-a-half with Prime Minister (Recep Tayyip) Erdogan yesterday and we decided that the Turkish foreign minister and I will be in charge to establish a sort of working group to consider the whole possibilities" on Turkey's EU membership.

Speaking at the US think tank Council on Foreign Relations, Kouchner said he was among those who convinced Sarkozy, who has spoken out against Turkey joining the EU, to not put a spanner in Turkey's membership negotiations.

The French foreign minister said he thought it would be a mistake not to accept a moderate Muslim country such as Turkey as this would play into the hands of radical Islamists.

Sarkozy said last week he did not believe Turkey belongs in the EU, and that "what I wish to offer Turkey is a true partnership with Europe, it is not integration with Europe."

Kouchner said: "The French position is very clear: we have time."

Of the 35 chapters, or policy areas, in EU membership negotiations "only five suppose the integration inside the European Union, and 30 may be accepted as a sort of partnership. So we'll open the 30 first and it will take years and years," he said.

"Meanwhile we have good relations with Turkey," said Kouchner, who along with Sarkozy was in New York for the UN General Assembly session.

Turkey began EU accession negotiations in October 2005 but it has only managed to open four of the 35 chapters that all candidates must complete to join.

Turkey's talks are expected to last at least a decade, with no guarantee of membership at the end of it all.

In addition to a lack of enthusiasm for the prospect of Turkey joining the EU in some member countries, the process has also been hampered by Ankara's refusal to open its ports and airports to ships and planes from EU member Cyprus.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gitBqobLrRRSSebzsJXXqE0K2zuw

[Lucin]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

Once again Royal, the ex-socialist candidate attacks Sarkozy on his foreign policy, accusing him of blundering repeatedly and putting in danger France's credibility. She also deplores Sarkozy's U-turn on a number of issues such as Turkey's EU bid and Hezbollah's question...
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Royal attaque Sarkozy sur sa politique étrangère

mercredi3 octobre 2007, par Stéphane/armenews
Ségolène Royal déplore la « succession de retournements » et la « navigation à vue » de Nicolas Sarkozy en matière de politique étrangère, l’accusant de faire « bourde sur bourde » et de mettre en danger la « crédibilité » de la France, dans une tribune publiée dans « Le Monde » de mardi. L’ex-candidate socialiste à la présidentielle cite plusieurs dossiers sur lesquels, selon elle, le chef de l’Etat a multiplié « les retournements ». Ainsi, sur l’entrée de la Turquie dans l’Union européenne, Nicolas Sarkozy était contre pendant la campagne et propose aujourd’hui « une perspective radicalement différente », puisqu’il admet la poursuite des négociations et « pense même à supprimer » l’obligation de convoquer un référendum pour toute éventuelle adhésion, explique-t-elle. Elle s’étonne aussi que le Hezbollah ait été invité à une réunion interlibanaise en juillet à La Celle-Saint-Cloud. Pendant la campagne présidentielle, Nicolas Sarkozy n’avait pas hésité à attaquer sa rivale sur ces sujets.

Source:
http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?id_article=34965
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French FM urges extra sanctions against Iran

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner once against stated necessity of extra sanctions against Iran. “There is nothing more dangerous than the situation in Iran. This is the most dangerous spot in the world. An Iranian atomic bomb will redouble the problems,” Kouchner told Europe 1.

“The worst what can happen is war,” he repeated his September 16 statement which aroused indignation of the international community and of Iran, of course.

“As yet the dialogue is underway, we should work at additional sanctions,” Kouchner said.

Meanwhile, an official of the French Embassy in Tehran was Wednesday summoned to the Foreign Ministry, where he was handed an official protest over the recent statements by the French FM. The press office, however, did not furnish details.

Earlier, Mr Kouchner apologized to the Iranian authorities for distortion of his statements by media, RIA Novosti reports.

Source: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23567

[Siamanto]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

Once again Royal, the ex-socialist candidate attacks Sarkozy on his
foreign policy, accusing him of blundering repeatedly and putting in
danger France's credibility. She also deplores Sarkozy's U-turn on a
number of issues such as Turkey's EU bid and Hezbollah's question...

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Royal attaque Sarkozy sur sa politique étrangère



mercredi3 octobre 2007, par Stéphane/armenews

Ségolène Royal déplore la « succession de retournements » et la «
navigation à vue » de Nicolas Sarkozy en matière de politique
étrangère, l’accusant de faire « bourde sur bourde » et de mettre en
danger la « crédibilité » de la France, dans une tribune publiée dans «
Le Monde » de mardi. L’ex-candidate socialiste à la présidentielle cite
plusieurs dossiers sur lesquels, selon elle, le chef de l’Etat a
multiplié « les retournements ». Ainsi, sur l’entrée de la Turquie dans
l’Union européenne, Nicolas Sarkozy était contre pendant la campagne et
propose aujourd’hui « une perspective radicalement différente »,
puisqu’il admet la poursuite des négociations et « pense même à
supprimer » l’obligation de convoquer un référendum pour toute
éventuelle adhésion, explique-t-elle. Elle s’étonne aussi que le
Hezbollah ait été invité à une réunion interlibanaise en juillet à La
Celle-Saint-Cloud. Pendant la campagne présidentielle, Nicolas Sarkozy
n’avait pas hésité à attaquer sa rivale sur ces sujets.



Source:

http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?id_article=34965

As usual, you are limiting yourself to second hand sources, interpretations, political accusations by rivals and "@si @sav."

1. How does "putting in danger France's credibility" would make Sarkozy an enemy of the Armenians? That is, to be polite, laughable?

2. As for the alleged "U-turn," so far, you have desperately failed to show how continuing negotiations on partnership is continuing negotiations on membership. You're really obsessed and/or thick headed.

3. As for the referendum, though I don't like the idea, as many have explained - including Devedjian - it is aimed at facilitating the entrance of European countries and the constitution will not be amended if the EU will not officially exclude TEMPORARILY SO CALLED turkey as a part of Europe
(By the way, it is probably unrelated, but, recently, the EU excluded TEMPORARILY SO CALLED turkey from Europe's map on a coin.)

4. As for the participation of the Hezbollah in the negotiations in Lebanon, how does it concern Armenians? By the way, isn't it a good idea to invite all concerned parties to the negotiation table?

French FM urges extra sanctions against Iran



/PanARMENIAN.Net/ French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner once against stated necessity of extra sanctions against Iran. “There
is nothing more dangerous than the situation in Iran. This is the most
dangerous spot in the world. An Iranian atomic bomb will redouble the
problems,” Kouchner told Europe 1.



“The worst what can happen is war,” he repeated his September 16
statement which aroused indignation of the international community and
of Iran, of course.



“As yet the dialogue is underway, we should work at additional sanctions,” Kouchner said.



Meanwhile, an official of the French Embassy in Tehran was Wednesday
summoned to the Foreign Ministry, where he was handed an official
protest over the recent statements by the French FM. The press office,
however, did not furnish details.



Earlier, Mr Kouchner apologized to the Iranian authorities for distortion of his statements by media, RIA Novosti reports.



Source: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23567

It is true that it would be unfair to sanction Iran; but, honestly, how is that anti-Armenian? Your obsession with Sarkozy, Kouchner and Co. is a bit pathetic.
Why should we be concerned, as Armenians, to the point of considering it as anti-Armenian? What's next, shall we join Iran in its standoff with the West???

The naiveté of your understanding of International Affairs and your black and white model is at best laughable...and your attempt to manipulate opinions and emotions with sensationalistic news, is dishonest and hideous.

[Lucin]

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Sarkozy intends to convince Baku of necessity of Karabakh conflict peaceful resolution


/PanARMENIAN.Net/ October 26, Armenian Prime Minister Serge Sargsyan met with French President Nicolas Sarkozy to discuss bilateral political, economic and cultural cooperation. The RA Prime Minister’s invitation to Armenia was accepted by the French President willingly.

In the context of cementing bilateral relations, the parties noted the importance of establishment of Paris House in Yerevan and Yerevan House in Paris.

They also discussed military cooperation and France’s contribution to the development of Armenian atomic energy. Serge Sargsyan and Nicolas Sarkozy said the economic relations should reach the level of political relations between Armenia and France.

As to education and culture, they spoke of necessity to enhance the prestige of the French University in Armenia.

Possibility of visa regime simplification was also discussed.

When referring to the Nagorno Karabakh conflict settlement, the parties emphasized that the problem should be resolved exclusively via talks.

France, as a Co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group, will bring this standpoint to the notion of Azerbaijan during Ilham Aliyev’s visit to France in November, said Mr Sarkozy.

Completing the meeting, Serge Sargsyan and Nicolas Sarkozy underscored that the high-level relationship between Armenia and France should develop, the RA government’s press office reported.

Source: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23875

[Armenian]

Re: Sarkozy - Friend or Foe?

I don't know if this development is related to the neurotic A-hole in Paris called Sarkozy, but it nevertheless brought a question to mind: Which is worst, the German occupation of France during the Second World War, or the current American occupation of Iraq? The German occupation of France or the current Israeli occupation of the West Bank/Gaza Strip? If you are not sure about the answer, I suggest you do some serious reading about the Nazi occupation of France.

Armenian

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French far-right leader sentenced

French far-right politician Jean-Marie Le Pen has been given a three-month suspended jail term for playing down the Nazi occupation of France. Le Pen, who was also fined 10,000 euros (£7,400), described the occupation as "not especially inhumane". Le Pen, 79, is the leader of the French far-right party, the National Front. He reached a surprise second-place finish in the 2002 French presidential election, after beating the socialist candidate in the first round. Le Pen's remarks were made in an interview with the far-right magazine Rivarol in January 2005. Elsewhere in the article he described the 1944 massacre of 86 people in the town of Villeneve d'Ascq as the actions of a junior officer "mad with rage", and praised the Gestapo for its role in the incident. The French court ruled that Le Pen had denied a crime against humanity and had been complicit in condoning war crimes. This is not the first time that Le Pen has faced legal sanctions for making controversial comments about the actions of the Nazis. In 1987 he was fined for describing the Nazi gas chambers as a "detail of history".

Source: http://www.repubblica.it/gallerie/on...lepen/10_g.jpg