Elections in Armenia

[Armenian]

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‘Armenia’s New President is a Murderer’

ANKARA - Yenicag, Turkish daily, reports that the Armenian voters preferred a murder as President of the country:

* HEAD OF THE TERRORISTS

“Serj Sarkissian organized the armed militants in the Mountanious Karabakh conflicts, he ordered massacres in Hocali, and now he is the President of Armenia. Sarkissian controls all armed forces and at the same time a good businessman. He has very good relations with the Armenian diaspora as well.”


* MURDERER PRESIDENT

“Armenia has a murderer president and it is expected that Mr. Sarkissian will follow similar policies to previous President Kocharian. It is expected that Armenia will continue to occupy Azerbaijani territories in his period. New President Sarkissian was the first responsible commander in Hocali Massacre and he order his militants to kill women, children and old people in Hocali. Hocali was a 10.000-people town and about 1.300 of Hocali people were killed by the armed Armenian forces under Sarkissian command.” The previous Armenian President Robert Kocharian was also Karabakh veteran and responsible for many murders in the Karabakh region of Azerbaijan.

Source: http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=52662

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

You people want to see just how f***ing stupid Armenians can be? Take a look at this:

Երեւան. 20.02.08: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri5REHi37CQ&eurl

Why exactly is f'in stoopid about that?

[freakyfreaky]

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That's a pretty impressive demonstration and exercise of freedom of assembly and expression. http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slides...836054158.jpg/

Nasdaq runs same report of U.S. concern over Armenian elections and urge that protests remain peaceful and do not turn violent. http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/Ne...INE000837.htm&

[HayotzAmrotz]

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The majority of our citizens chose Serzh Sargsyan to be the president of Armenia. It’s a fact and everyone needs to acknowledge it. His win was completely fair and square, there are absolutely no two ways about it, so my message to an LTP supporter is simple: Accept it and get on with your life.

[Armenian]

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Armenia's political environment is far from secure. For those who have been asking - what happened to the pig Rafi Hovanisian:

Raffi Hovannisian Panders to Turkey At the Cost of Political Bankruptcy

By APPO JABARIAN

August 29, 2007, Armenia's Heritage Party leader Raffi K. Hovannisian sent a letter of congratulations to the then newly elected Turkish president Abdullah Gul. He wrote: "The deep divides between our countries, be they of contemporary character or part of the legacy of the Great Armenian Dispossession, must be overcome and resolved in truth, with integrity, and through the partnership of the two new leaders and their fellow citizens of good faith and conscience." Soon after the content of the letter was revealed, the highly insulting term "Great Armenian Dispossession" used in lieu of the words "The Armenian Genocide" sent political shockwaves in Armenia and the Diaspora. Heritage Party officials hoped the issue would disappear with the flow of time. But the exact opposite happened.

On February 13, Armen Tsaturyan of "Hayots Ashkhar" (The Armenian World) wrote a scathing commentary against Hovannisian. He stated: "If we set aside all the political major and minor likability and non-likability issues and are guided by cool logic, we can not define Raffi Hovannisian's action except with one word: 'Treason.'" Tsaturyan reported that Hovannisian pandered to Turkey as follows: "It is to be hoped that, during your tenure and that of the next Armenian president to be elected in several months' time, Turkish-Armenian relations will enter a wholly new phase of reflection, exploration, discovery, and ultimate normalization." "It turns out that the son of historian Richard Hovannisian, a notable heir to the victims of the Armenian Genocide, needs further 'studies' on the issue of the Armenian Genocide. With his outlandish proposal to co-initiate 'studies,' he is furthering the Turkish obvious goal to establish a joint commission of historians. And that is the shortest route to subjecting the facts of the Armenian genocide to suspicion," concluded Tsaturyan.

On February 16, according to Noyan Tapan news agency, in an open letter to the Heritage Party, the chairman of the Armenian community of Slovakia Ashot Grigorian blasted Hovannisian: "No doubt, Raffi Hovannisian should have been well aware of the political value of the term 'genocide,' whose importance is hard to overestimate today. Turkey is ready to pay dearly if the Armenians agree to replace the term 'genocide' with any other word. ... In his letter, Hovannisian replaced voluntarily the term 'genocide' with another term more acceptable to Turks, thus ruining the work we have done for years and decades. This calls into question today the result of the huge and hard work on passing the resolution on the genocide in the National Assembly of Slovakia. The resolutions passed by the parliaments of about twenty countries have also been deprived of meaning."

An Armenian activist underlined: "As the saying goes, one should not change horses in mid-stream, Armenians have invested decades of effort to get the words Armenian Genocide recognized. There is no reason to abandon that and start using another word. In fact, the smart thing to do would have been to use all sorts of words like 'forced deportation', 'mass killings', 'ethnic cleansing', 'dispossession', but use these words in addition to 'genocide', NOT in its place. Also, why is Raffi congratulating Gul? He is neither the President nor the Foreign Minister of Armenia!" One wonders, what's going on in the Hovannisian households in Los Angeles and Yerevan? In early 2006, the grandfather Prof. Richard Hovannisian of UCLA, reportedly told RFE/RL that "in some respects Armenia is now an even less democratic state than Turkey, its historical foe regularly castigated by the West for its poor human and civil rights record." On July 30, 2007, on the eve of the passage by U.S. House Foreign Relations Committee of the Armenian Genocide resolution 106, Raffi's son and the elder Hovannisian's grandson Garin wrote in the Washington Times: "... Bad congressional resolutions might well begin to sound like good Philip Larkin: 'Sexual intercourse began /In nineteen sixty-three. .../ Between the end of the Chatterley ban /And the Beatles' first LP.'" This was not the first time that the second junior Hovannisian has ridiculed and poked fun at his martyred Armenian ancestor's Cause.

And now, his father, Raffi, all too willingly attempts to jeopardize the Armenian Cause in return of personal political gains. In 1992, the Raffi Hovannisian the Armenians knew and respected was the steadfast Foreign Minister of Armenia who clearly uttered the words Armenian Genocide in Turkey. He was fired by the then president of Armenia, Mr. Levon Ter Petrossyan ironically for having been honest. Then, Raffi remained in Armenia and pursued the objective to become the next president of Armenia. His efforts were blocked. When that didn't materialize, his father, Prof. Hovannisian slapped Armenia in the face by preferring Turkey as a "better Democracy" than Armenia. What a change for the worse! Then Raffi's son Garin "punished" Armenia. So if Turkey is a better democracy than Armenia, how come he is not relocating to what is now called Turkey and pursue his political ambitions there by presenting his candidacy for the presidency of Turkey?

By having pandered to Turkey, Hovannisian overdrew on what was left of his political capital in Armenia-Artsakh and around the world. He effectively antagonized literally millions of Armenians. Every year millions of survivors and their descendants flock to the Armenian Genocide monuments in Yerevan and elsewhere. Hundreds of thousands mobilize in marches condemning Turkey's continued denial of the Genocide and the wholesale forced occupation of the Armenian lands. Hovannisian has de facto attempted to torpedo the justice pursued by the clear majority of Armenians. But in fact he torpedoed his own political career. The overwhelming majority of Armenians in the homeland and the Diaspora would prefer to see their beloved republics of Armenia and Artsakh transform their soviet-era corrupt bureaucracies into healthy, fully functioning government bodies. But that desire, along with the urge to seek personal political gain, does not give the Hovannisians or anyone else a green light to make erroneous statements, unfairly belittling, and even worse undermine their fledgling new republics and provide damaging ammunition to the enemy.

Source: USA ARMENIAN LIFE Magazine

[Lucin]

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I am really getting sick and tired of the amount of negative stuff, I hear here and there about Armenia and how terrible she is. Incidentally, I was with a couple of friends last night. Each a self-proclaimed pundit in politics, theology, sociology, etc, in her own 'unique' way. We discussed about many issues, including Armenia and how she is doing currently… I was just disgusted. I mean, I did not hear a single 'positive' word about the country; with no exaggeration, it was all 'trash' talk; corruption, mafia, poverty, emigration, rudeness and harshness of people, prostitution and… Apparently I was the only one to disagree with all the people there and I was literally buried under a deluge of whiny pessimists, I could not convince the Egos that the blah blah blah (corruption, mafioso system, etc,) exist everywhere on this earth even in America "dearest", I could not convince them that Armenia is going through a transition phase and that her existence today is even a 'miracle' ( at least in my eyes), etc.
Anyway, as I hold some 'serious' discussions with Armenians, I realize more and more that an overwhelming majority of Armenians have the same irrational mtatselakerp, the same batsasakan litsker. Going around and "criticizing" everything Armenian is what they excel at and this even among odars, I have noticed, which reveals another 'psychological disorder' in my opinion; and that is absolute lack of makardak and pride within us.

I wonder till when and how many times are we going to repeat over and over again the flaws of the country without mentioning a word about rebuilding the country??? Till when this cliché-driven demoralizing trash talk is going to continue in Armenian circles???

Your not there, you don't know what the hell is going on. Just like on other discussions and my opinion on Armenia, I was there I saw with my own eyes whats going on...

I agree but tell me please what kind of a drastic change are you expecting to happen there? And in which measures and period of time?

Oh and i suggest to go there and take care of your 'stakes before Xarabaxtsik take it, or local government sells it to Iran.

What the bloody hell is this? Aren't Artsakhtis Armenian???

[Armenian]

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Lucin jan, every time you write something I feel as if I wrote it. Are you sure we were not identical twins separated at birth... Oh, wait... That can't be, I am much older than you

Anyway, regarding your comments: I must say that I primarily blame diasporan Armenians, especially Amerikahyer, concerning these matters. While everything you say applies to Armenians in Armenia as well, in Armenia its nearly impossible to be 'positive' and/or 'hopeful' when you are living in utter poverty and you don't have any exposure to the real world. The diaspora is a different story, however. There are no excuses for doom and gloom preachers in the diaspora. As an example look at our resident thinker writer, the disgusting Ara Baliozian. With their rhetoric and actions, these people demoralize the population. The fact of the matter is, majority of Armenians today, in and out of Armenia, are worthless and useless for the nation. Therefore, just learn to love and appreciate our national heritage and make sure to place considerations of our homeland above that of the individual.

To tell you the truth. LTP's appearance in the presidential race has opened a lot of old wounds in me and has forced me to rethink my assessments concerning Armenia's future. LTP got (by government account nonetheless) 'several hundred thousand' votes! This, is a tiny country. I asked several close Hayastanci friends how could an Armenian citizen vote for such a corrupt-treasonous-criminal like Levon, after all that they have seen and been through? They said most of the people voting for Levon are essentially expressing their hate for Artsakhtsiner, represented by Serzh Sargsyan and Robert Kocharyan. Lucin, just think about this absurd situation for a moment... Nevertheless, this reasoning/excuse in is flawed. If the citizenry wanted to vote 'against' Serzh, then they should have voted for men like Vazgen Manukyan, or even Arthur Baghtasarian.

I am very demoralized at this time as well, Lucin. I want to remain hopeful for our future but 'Armenians' are getting in the way of Armenia... I hate to say this, but Armenia may have to go through a civil war of sorts before it can compose itself.

I am really getting sick and tired of the amount of negative stuff, I hear here and there about Armenia and how terrible she is. Incidentally, I was with a couple of friends last night. Each a self-proclaimed pundit in politics, theology, sociology, etc, in her own 'unique' way. We discussed about many issues, including Armenia and how she is doing currently… I was just disgusted. I mean, I did not hear a single 'positive' word about the country; with no exaggeration, it was all 'trash' talk; corruption, mafia, poverty, emigration, rudeness and harshness of people, prostitution and… Apparently I was the only one to disagree with all the people there and I was literally buried under a deluge of whiny pessimists, I could not convince the Egos that the blah blah blah (corruption, mafioso system, etc,) exist everywhere on this earth even in America "dearest", I could not convince them that Armenia is going through a transition phase and that her existence today is even a 'miracle' ( at least in my eyes), etc.
Anyway, as I hold some 'serious' discussions with Armenians, I realize more and more that an overwhelming majority of Armenians have the same irrational mtatselakerp, the same batsasakan litsker. Going around and "criticizing" everything Armenian is what they excel at and this even among odars, I have noticed, which reveals another 'psychological disorder' in my opinion; and that is absolute lack of makardak and pride within us.

[Lernakan]

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You are so full of yourself, please stop it. Oh and i suggest to go there and take care of your 'stakes before Xarabaxtsik take it, or local government sells it to Iran.

and this coming from someone who calls himself "fedayeen".....

I was surprised to hear that levon effendi got that many votes. Before the elections I always thought that he had very little support. When I talked to some of my friends in Armenia they told me that support for levon effendi was growing but I never expected this. They also told me that most people just vote for him because they want to get rid of this regime. I am very disappointed in our people but HayotzAmrotz is right the majority of the people did vote for Serzh. I wonder how things will develop the coming days. Do any of you expect anything to happen or will the protests just die out?

btw. levon said he had a "surprise" for today do any of you know what this "surprise" was?

[crusader1492]

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and this coming from someone who calls himself "fedayeen".....

I was surprised to hear that levon effendi got that many votes. Before the elections I always thought that he had very little support. When I talked to some of my friends in Armenia they told me that support for levon effendi was growing but I never expected this. They also told me that most people just vote for him because they want to get rid of this regime. I am very disappointed in our people but HayotzAmrotz is right the majority of the people did vote for Serzh. I wonder how things will develop the coming days. Do any of you expect anything to happen or will the protests just die out?

btw. levon said he had a "surprise" for today do any of you know what this "surprise" was?

My wife inquired (over the telephone) about the atmosphere in Yerevan from her aunt who lives there. From what she relayed to me, there were "stupid people" protesting yesterday, but nothing significant went on today.

With that said, this is some good news...it seems these protests are going from a roar to a yawn.

[Fedayeen]

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I hate to say this, but Armenia may have to go through a civil war of sorts before it can compose itself.

Finally you said something close to reality. Thats good, that is a good start.


Lucin, you are right, people should have some positive outlook on things, always hope for a better day. But its much easier said from 1000 miles away. Try telling that to those young people in Armenia, who come back from banak, and have absolutely nothing to look forward to.

And how you suppose to fix a problem if you go around living in a denial? People are getting sick and tired of pretending everything is fine. Corruption is everywhere, but there is a limit. There is a limit to everything, but unfortunately, specifically "Artsakhtis" do not understand this.

If you ever lived in Armenian, and you father's name was not dodi Hivand, you would of understood