Elections in Armenia

[aray]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

The entire group of demons that organized this bloody fiasco need to die.

Does anybody have any information about manvel grigoryan’s involvement on this? Coupe of weeks ago there was a rumor that Manvel and Seyran Ohanyan were on the side of criminals. I didn’t believe the rumor about Seyran, and his appearance on TV yesterday confirmed that he is not one of them. However, I am not so sure about Manvel. By the way, there was another rumor that Manvel occupied Airport two days ago, which turned out to be false.
Also, I think raffi hovhannisyan and stepan demirchian should be included on your list.

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Also, I think raffi hovhannisyan and stepan demirchian should be included on your list.

For sure raffi, and stepan is quickly proving himself to be a disgrace to his father's legacy.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Some Armenians in So Cal refresh their protests from last week in Hollywood today. Funny how local media in LA completely misssed this story last week because it coincided with the Oscars. http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...cal&id=5994338

U.S. asks both sides to show restraint, OSCE seeks to mediate dispute, LTP ask protesters to stop until state of emergency lifted but vows to continue once emergency lifted. http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/tro...402336953.html

In light of martial law, Cardinal Bertone, the Vatican's Secretary of State, postpones trip to Armenia. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200803...n-bd5ae06.html

Can someone explain to me how a Karabaghi is an Armenian but an Armenian is not a Karabaghi, can someone from Armenia run for political office in Artsakh. How is it that a diasporan from Artaskh can lead Armenia but a diasporan from lets say Beirut cannot.

This is at the root of the opposition. Some Armenians are tired of Karabaghis running the country and do not want another presidency run by a person whom the perceive to be an outsider.

In the U.S., if you are not a native (e.g. born of American citizens), you cannot run the country regardless if you obtain citizenship thereafter. The Armenian constitution does not allow dual citizenship.

I don't believe that President Kocharian was a citizen of Armenia for 10 years preceding his run for office.

As he came to power after 1995 and Armenia was re-born in late 1991, the earliest Mr. Kocharian could have constitutionally run the country was roughly 2003. Funny how he was the only diasporan to be permitted to hold the office of the Presidency after the constitution was enacted that prevented the same to occur.

So, some could reasonably argue that his presidency was unconstitutional as you can't have dual citizenship in Armenia and you can't run for president until you have been a citizen for 10 years.

Now Kocharian has declared a state of emergency right before the inauguration of another Artsakhi and the constitution is not at play currently.

And, Sargsyan was appointed to PM by a president who was not qualified to be elected so under the Armenian Constitution. And, then, this unconstitutional president used the mantle of the state to promote Sargsyan to power.

At least Mr. Sargsyan recognizes that the opposition has a right to assemble and protest his election peacefully and per the constitution they can do this every day of his presidency should it be allowed to continue. This is what a free and democratic society permits.

And, in the same manner that we may never know who truly was behind the storm in the RA Parliament on 10/27, we may never truly know who started the violence on Saturday.

I do not dispute that Mr. Sargsyan was qualified to run for President of the RA on February 19, 2008 but certainly if an unconstitutional President as Kocharian used his office and state media to promote Sargsyan, then there was an unfair election notwithstanding whether or not there was any vote rigging.

Mr. Sargsyan should be cognizant of this fact and that the perception of some of the citizens of the RA has put his leadership and the stability of the country at jeopardy.

If LTP and his cronies have caused an unlawful assembly of persons, then they should be charged, tried and, if, the results permit, convicted of such crimes.

And, while Mr. Sargsyan is a great leader for the Armenian people and to this fact there can be no dispute, he should probably acknowledge that it was unfair for Kocharian to use the office of the presidency which he was probably holding unconstitutionally to help bring Sargsyan to ultimate power and step aside for the good of the country.

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I welcome Armenians from all parts of the Diaspora to participate in Armenian elections if they live a certain amount of time in Armenia and are of course Armenian citizens.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

The 'unofficial' President of Armenia, Armanen, speaks. There are more Armenians outside Armenia as there are inside. Armenia requires the diaspora to thrive.

Apparently, the RA's constitution applies to some diaspora and to some Armenians, but not to others.

Why would a democraticized Armenian living in a 'free' society want to go back under those conditions?

Or, one where a leader of foreign origin declares martial law?

As a true Armenian, Sargsyan should have refused Kocharyan's appointment of him as PM and denounced Kocharyan's presidency.

He certainly would have gained more prominence amongst Hayastansis had he done so.

History may likely recognize Sargsyan as a tool used by Kocharyan to legitimize Kocharyan's otherwise unconstitutional presidency.

[TomServo]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Freaky, Ter-Petrosian is originally from Aleppo. As is Vartan Oskanian.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Really?

Well, LTP was elected before the constitution was enacted unlike Kocharyan and they, Oskanian and LTP, were residing in Soviet Armenia when the Soviet Republic came crumbling down, no?

Under the constitution, Oskanian was not required to live in the country for 10 years before becoming FM, only the president is required to meet that prerequisite.

Can the same be said for Kocharyan and Sargsyan?

You are obviously not disputing what I have said about the constitutionality of Kocharyan's presidency or that the diaspora should have some influence on Armenia's destiny.

[aray]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Hey freak,
Do you read your post before posting them? What is the purpose of your posts above and what points are you trying to make? Do you just post for the sake of posting? You are rising some constitutional issues that I haven’t even heard any opposition candidate talk about. Also, what’s the deal with “free society” irony? You need to cut this bull xxxx. Armenia had more freedom and so called democracy that it could handle, and we sow how it worked out. I hope that lesson is leaned and Serjh will be rougher than Robert. Unfortunately Armenia paid too high off a price for this lesson.

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

The 'unofficial' President of Armenia, Armanen, speaks. There are more Armenians outside Armenia as there are inside. Armenia requires the diaspora to thrive.

Apparently, the RA's constitution applies to some diaspora and to some Armenians, but not to others.

Why would a democraticized Armenian living in a 'free' society want to go back under those conditions?

Or, one where a leader of foreign origin declares martial law?

As a true Armenian, Sargsyan should have refused Kocharyan's appointment of him as PM and denounced Kocharyan's presidency.

He certainly would have gained more prominence amongst Hayastansis had he done so.

History may likely recognize Sargsyan as a tool used by Kocharyan to legitimize Kocharyan's otherwise unconstitutional presidency.

Do you have to be a little xxxx with everyone who you disagree with?

It is f***s like you that encourage the label minded Armenians, who gives a rat's ass where an Armenian is from as long as he is a true patriot? I realize Kocharyan techniclly broke the law, but the authorities that were to ensure the law was not broken seemed to be ok with it. So you are just trying to stir up inter Armenian conflict; an agent provocateur like onik or richard.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Really, without diasporans like Gulbenkian, Kerkorian, Cafesjian, Abrahamyan, etc., where would Armenia be?